Comments on: #342 | The whole of Greece is now a factory: Resist, strike, occupy! (or, some notes on the unwillingness of the social antagonist movement to support some resisting parts of society) http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/2010/07/29/342-the-whole-of-greece-is-now-a-factory-resist-strike-occupy-or-some-notes-on-the-unwillingness-of-the-social-antagonist-movement-to-support-some-resisting-parts-of-society/ Irregular updates and articles on the situation in Greece, in English Sat, 11 Feb 2012 12:37:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Petite Fashion http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/2010/07/29/342-the-whole-of-greece-is-now-a-factory-resist-strike-occupy-or-some-notes-on-the-unwillingness-of-the-social-antagonist-movement-to-support-some-resisting-parts-of-society/comment-page-1/#comment-12518 Petite Fashion Thu, 09 Sep 2010 14:44:08 +0000 http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/?p=2656#comment-12518 I fear that war may not always be the solution, as demonstrated by history, time and time again. I fear that war may not always be the solution, as demonstrated by history, time and time again.

]]> By: bateaubus http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/2010/07/29/342-the-whole-of-greece-is-now-a-factory-resist-strike-occupy-or-some-notes-on-the-unwillingness-of-the-social-antagonist-movement-to-support-some-resisting-parts-of-society/comment-page-1/#comment-12263 bateaubus Wed, 18 Aug 2010 19:33:41 +0000 http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/?p=2656#comment-12263 Thank you for your words. I fear the efforts of those who determine the flow of money now, after stripping money of everyone, will go towards another fed-war. The fed/boe/bis supported both hitler and England for maximum profits. Now, how does one deal with 40 million USA people on food stamps ? By creating a war ? I feel we need to talk about survival: do we have wheat stored dryly, and beans? Do we have water? How do we protect culture? Can you provide for a researcher or library or do we fall back to the dark ages? Can we set up a bulletin board (or something) that the truck driver who hanged himself would have a point of contact? And if we are relatively powerless we offer heartfelt support? No need no need no need to suicide. With love BB Thank you for your words.
I fear the efforts of those who determine the flow of money now, after stripping money of everyone, will go towards another fed-war. The fed/boe/bis supported both hitler and England for maximum profits. Now, how does one deal with 40 million USA people on food stamps ? By creating a war ?
I feel we need to talk about survival: do we have wheat stored dryly, and beans? Do we have water? How do we protect culture? Can you provide for a researcher or library or do we fall back to the dark ages?
Can we set up a bulletin board (or something) that the truck driver who hanged himself would have a point of contact? And if we are relatively powerless we offer heartfelt support? No need no need no need to suicide.
With love
BB

]]> By: rain http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/2010/07/29/342-the-whole-of-greece-is-now-a-factory-resist-strike-occupy-or-some-notes-on-the-unwillingness-of-the-social-antagonist-movement-to-support-some-resisting-parts-of-society/comment-page-1/#comment-12189 rain Mon, 09 Aug 2010 18:03:56 +0000 http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/?p=2656#comment-12189 artisans isn't cronyist small employers tho innit artisans isn’t cronyist small employers tho innit

]]> By: INCUBUS http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/2010/07/29/342-the-whole-of-greece-is-now-a-factory-resist-strike-occupy-or-some-notes-on-the-unwillingness-of-the-social-antagonist-movement-to-support-some-resisting-parts-of-society/comment-page-1/#comment-12083 INCUBUS Sun, 01 Aug 2010 00:44:23 +0000 http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/?p=2656#comment-12083 I don't think Ronin is that arrogant, he's merely pointing out a contradiction of capital, and of blunt ideology...The CNT also joined the Republican government, so caution is required with the petty-bourgeois... I don’t think Ronin is that arrogant, he’s merely pointing out a contradiction of capital, and of blunt ideology…The CNT also joined the Republican government, so caution is required with the petty-bourgeois…

]]> By: Me http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/2010/07/29/342-the-whole-of-greece-is-now-a-factory-resist-strike-occupy-or-some-notes-on-the-unwillingness-of-the-social-antagonist-movement-to-support-some-resisting-parts-of-society/comment-page-1/#comment-12076 Me Sat, 31 Jul 2010 17:15:45 +0000 http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/?p=2656#comment-12076 The same arrogant attitude Ronin displays towards the petty bourgeosie was deplayed 80 years earlier by large parts of the German left. ....Conseqently farmers, small traders, artisans, small business owners were driven into the nazi camp. Also, I would like to add that much of the followers of the CNT in early 20 century Catalonia were comprised of self-employed and artisans. The same arrogant attitude Ronin displays towards the petty bourgeosie was deplayed 80 years earlier by large parts of the German left.
….Conseqently farmers, small traders, artisans, small business owners were driven into the nazi camp.
Also, I would like to add that much of the followers of the CNT in early 20 century Catalonia were comprised of self-employed and artisans.

]]> By: Ronin http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/2010/07/29/342-the-whole-of-greece-is-now-a-factory-resist-strike-occupy-or-some-notes-on-the-unwillingness-of-the-social-antagonist-movement-to-support-some-resisting-parts-of-society/comment-page-1/#comment-12073 Ronin Sat, 31 Jul 2010 15:27:40 +0000 http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/?p=2656#comment-12073 Actually, and strictly speaking, it is not the "lorry drivers" who are striking but, rather, the lorry owners -- the very same who possess the lorry permits worth anywhere from 150,000 to 300,000 euros in current "closed market" prices. Lorry drivers are employed by these "small" lorry owner-permit holders, some of whom aren't all that small: protagonists of the current fracas own 10 and 20 such permits, a fact that makes them more of the "capitalist class" than of the oppressed ranks. Lorry drivers often work under dismal conditions, underpaid and without insurance. And the lorry owners, who are presently tear their hairs in defense of the little people, routinely break the law over the technical soundness of their rigs and collective labor agreements that do not permit drivers to drive past a certain number of hours every day. So, dear anarchist folk, the situation at hand in this Hellas is a little more complicated than most of the commenters on this blog think. In fact, the clash now under way is between a nakedly "capitalist-imperialist" government and a petite bourgeois class of rather uncouth types, who would KILL for maintaining their means of accumulating personal wealth at the expense of the "proletariat." By the way, the violent protesters of today have been fixing lorry freight prices for the longest time so that a ton of freight between Athens and Thessaloniki commands a price two and three times ABOVE the price we have to pay for the same ton to travel from Athens to, say, Munich in Germany. So, as I said above, this is a catfight between essentially two sides of the same "capitalist" coin: the small sharks are angry that the big sharks are effectively pushing them out of the market. Very little class "solidarity" involved her. Actually, and strictly speaking, it is not the “lorry drivers” who are striking but, rather, the lorry owners — the very same who possess the lorry permits worth anywhere from 150,000 to 300,000 euros in current “closed market” prices. Lorry drivers are employed by these “small” lorry owner-permit holders, some of whom aren’t all that small: protagonists of the current fracas own 10 and 20 such permits, a fact that makes them more of the “capitalist class” than of the oppressed ranks. Lorry drivers often work under dismal conditions, underpaid and without insurance. And the lorry owners, who are presently tear their hairs in defense of the little people, routinely break the law over the technical soundness of their rigs and collective labor agreements that do not permit drivers to drive past a certain number of hours every day. So, dear anarchist folk, the situation at hand in this Hellas is a little more complicated than most of the commenters on this blog think. In fact, the clash now under way is between a nakedly “capitalist-imperialist” government and a petite bourgeois class of rather uncouth types, who would KILL for maintaining their means of accumulating personal wealth at the expense of the “proletariat.” By the way, the violent protesters of today have been fixing lorry freight prices for the longest time so that a ton of freight between Athens and Thessaloniki commands a price two and three times ABOVE the price we have to pay for the same ton to travel from Athens to, say, Munich in Germany. So, as I said above, this is a catfight between essentially two sides of the same “capitalist” coin: the small sharks are angry that the big sharks are effectively pushing them out of the market. Very little class “solidarity” involved her.

]]> By: INCUBUS http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/2010/07/29/342-the-whole-of-greece-is-now-a-factory-resist-strike-occupy-or-some-notes-on-the-unwillingness-of-the-social-antagonist-movement-to-support-some-resisting-parts-of-society/comment-page-1/#comment-12043 INCUBUS Fri, 30 Jul 2010 18:36:34 +0000 http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/?p=2656#comment-12043 The more popular assemblies the better! The more popular assemblies the better!

]]> By: situation http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/2010/07/29/342-the-whole-of-greece-is-now-a-factory-resist-strike-occupy-or-some-notes-on-the-unwillingness-of-the-social-antagonist-movement-to-support-some-resisting-parts-of-society/comment-page-1/#comment-12036 situation Fri, 30 Jul 2010 14:37:33 +0000 http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/?p=2656#comment-12036 After a long General Assembly the lorry drivers decided to continue the strike, despite the civil conscription! The police has started to give the orders to the drivers, but still no trucks are out to the streets, with the drivers saying that they prefer jail than accepting the new law. Meanwhile, the TV staions have started an open war of propaganda against the strikes. The population disapproves the way the crisis is being faced by all sides, as today start the two weeks of August that the vast majority of the greeks take their days-off. After a long General Assembly the lorry drivers decided to continue the strike, despite the civil conscription! The police has started to give the orders to the drivers, but still no trucks are out to the streets, with the drivers saying that they prefer jail than accepting the new law.

Meanwhile, the TV staions have started an open war of propaganda against the strikes. The population disapproves the way the crisis is being faced by all sides, as today start the two weeks of August that the vast majority of the greeks take their days-off.

]]> By: india http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/2010/07/29/342-the-whole-of-greece-is-now-a-factory-resist-strike-occupy-or-some-notes-on-the-unwillingness-of-the-social-antagonist-movement-to-support-some-resisting-parts-of-society/comment-page-1/#comment-12031 india Fri, 30 Jul 2010 13:47:51 +0000 http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/?p=2656#comment-12031 the anti-colonial uprisings across india were on a far more impressive scale and represented greater unity than anything that has happened in greece this century. the anti-colonial uprisings across india were on a far more impressive scale and represented greater unity than anything that has happened in greece this century.

]]> By: report http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/2010/07/29/342-the-whole-of-greece-is-now-a-factory-resist-strike-occupy-or-some-notes-on-the-unwillingness-of-the-social-antagonist-movement-to-support-some-resisting-parts-of-society/comment-page-1/#comment-12019 report Thu, 29 Jul 2010 19:23:45 +0000 http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/?p=2656#comment-12019 A few minutes ago the lorry drivers announced that their strike continues! The announcement came after hours of negotiation with the minister that did not end to an agreement. The drivers will hold an assembly on Friday at 12.00 noon to decide the continuation of their struggle, and untill then the strike goes on. The fuel has run out in most part of the country and serious problems are caused in tourist industry and in the circulation of products. The producers of peaches had serious problems, as their products need to be carried immediately in order not to be ruined, so the drivers announced that they will carry the fruits, as an offer of the drivers to the farmers, as they have announced. A few minutes ago the lorry drivers announced that their strike continues!

The announcement came after hours of negotiation with the minister that did not end to an agreement. The drivers will hold an assembly on Friday at 12.00 noon to decide the continuation of their struggle, and untill then the strike goes on.

The fuel has run out in most part of the country and serious problems are caused in tourist industry and in the circulation of products. The producers of peaches had serious problems, as their products need to be carried immediately in order not to be ruined, so the drivers announced that they will carry the fruits, as an offer of the drivers to the farmers, as they have announced.

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