A strong bomb hit the office of the minister of public order (protection of citizen, according to the ‘newspeak’), on the 7th floor of the ministry of public order. One associate of the minister is reported dead.
All information is from mainstream media, more information as it comes.
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now… the top question.. is it the police planting bombs in their own HQ ?
Hope it was their own bomb!
We don´t need a bombing avantgarde! We need the social revolution. Nothing more to say.
Bureaucrats are like sharks teeth..one gets knocked out and another takes its place…What we need, is for all the little fish to join together and rip the shark to pieces…
These bombings will achieve nothing.
For the record: the person who died was 52-year old Giorgos Vasilakis, a high-rank policeman and close affiliate of the minister of Public Order (now renamed to ministry of Citizen Protection).
“All information is from mainstream media”… as if it’s more accurate when it comes from a couple of friends writing on a blog, or from hearsay…
Another murder, once again. This man (this “pig”, as you prefer to call them) was a father of two…
“as if it’s more accurate when it comes from a couple of friends writing on a blog, or from hearsay”
no-one claimed that, they’re just mentioning their sources, you fucking wanker.
“this “pig”, as you prefer to call them”
who called him a pig, remind me? You hallucinating, or?
Agree with the fact that an avant garde is utterly unnecessary and this sort of actions are nothing but a dead end…
but let’s not to be so hypocritical Murdurers. Here everyone has done, does and will keep doing his or hers choices and there is a conflict going on which seems to be escalating more and more.
Being what this man decided to be puts you in the field of the oppressors, that is it turns you into a defender of a system that everyday kills hundreds if not thousands. Greece police actually kills many immigrants a year (just to give a little example of their “kindness”) and is one of the basic agents of terror in the current political situation in Greece. Their abuses can be counted every single day by dozens.
Let’s leave the sanctimony for the priests and focus in what it really matters which is how to achieve a widespread self-organisation of the Greek oppressed people and starting to show the teeth in other parts of the world going beyond mere demos of solidarity and beginning to fight our exploiters in our own soil.
Oh a flash back a debate about who called him a pig. Personally I always preferred the expression that had roots in the East End of London ‘Filth’. It conveys more of what the flavor of ‘You are what you eat’. As for being a father of two. The original model of the Western Spin Doctor Joseph Goebbels was the official father of six. The bomb sent in the post could have detonated at any time after posting. Killing those who work delivering mail. Or some low payed clerk in the office. It aids all of the forces of reaction in Greece. It substitutes a mechanism for social mobilization. Nobody engaged in these acts really believes that success in the struggle against Capitalism and its state is possible.
BOMB THE DORKS! Ahh…all you retards who are now “crying” for the death of that poor cop…Did they cry for the deaths of our comrades? for the deaths of the imigrants? for the deaths of their own people which they slaughter by forcing them to pay taxes and so on? But…”violence is not a solution”…ok, fuck that!
This is nonsense. Violence can always be part of a solution. That’s how wars are won. If its a necessary condition it isn’t a sufficient one. The idea that parcel bombs are a tactic that is justified because the bomber got ‘lucky’ is risible. What the fuck crying has to do with this I don’t know. So let me get this straight the overthrow of Capitalism is just a question of the ‘imaginative’ use of the postal service?
And their is nothing that reaction likes more than an opponent full of hatred but little else. When the next parcel bomb blows up a worker at the sorting office I expect a similar defense of dead ‘comrades’. It makes me wonder who exactly the bombers serve? Who exactly makes the decision to send the bombs?
For Shao:
It’s not about the question of violence but the content of it. Killing one cop, or any kind of state official is certainly won’t help in itself for the revolutionary movement. There are two possibilities here: We already saw that there are forces of repression who themselves can decide on or used for sabotaging the organizing the revolutionary movement. These bombings (as the one what killed that 15 year old boy) are used for breaking up the connection between the anarchists and the wider movement against the austerity measures in order to regain the control over the population.
The second possibility is that there are people who just simply can’t accept the fact that so far with all those uprisings and strikes, the government is still in charge, and pushing forward its profit-increasing measures. Anyone of us can testify on the revolutionary impatience I guess, and I can imagine that this desperation can lead certain groups to using violence just as sort of a revenge directed towards individuals (since they are far more vulnerable than the system as a whole) who used to represent the present order. But as many pointed out this is dead-end because it’ll point in the direction of a wider affirmation and won’t indicate or contribute to the insurrection.
I would say that it is the heavy job for the anarchist in Athens to keep these groups (as long as it’s for sure that they are in fact only desperate revolutionaries) in check, try to integrate them into their rank, and organize the revolutionary violence as proper class action.
For Shelter of Crime:
“These bombings (as the one what killed that 15 year old boy) are used for breaking up the connection between the anarchists and the wider movement against the austerity measures in order to regain the control over the population.”
That’s the only part where I agree with you, but I have to add something. THEY ALWAYS DO THIS! They always incriminate anarchists in order to legitimate themselves and their state. This doesn’t mean that we should just be very very careful at the size of the rock which we’re throwing > in order to check the “content” of the violence!
“It’s not about the question of violence but the content of it.” > what dialectical bullshit is that?
As for the part with the danger that threatens the revolutionary movement – that’s an argument that you usually hear from a politician who’s talking about his party. There is no greater danger for the revolutionary movement than talking about it, instead of acting.
Revenge!? Isn’t it more stupid to abstain from revenge because you are afraid of the stupid things that might come out from that, than to really have your revenge?
Integrate those “desperate revolutionaries”? Now… who would integrate them and where? The anarchists? With what authority, dear Lenin? And what makes you to be so sure that “peaceful protests with the right quantity of violence” are more efficient than bombings? Can you really measure the actions?
And about the conspiracy theories…if the cops put the bomb there. wouldn’t you think that they would have killed some 20 years old cop, in order to dramatize the bullshit, instead of killing a high officer of them?
hm..strange, but i dont cry for this fucking bastard. Solidarity !!
If this action is done by anarchist revolutionaries, I support it. People choose for themselves what they will do: protest, kill, spread idea, etc. There is no correct way, all ways are correct. There are different points of view about the same thing, so I could say that putting of bombs is something what workers don’t have courage to do but many of them (although not all) are happy if their enemies die, it means bombing can be longer hand of working class. but it is not necessary to be so, as I said, every autonomous group decide for themselves. They are not avantgarde, problem is that some people repeat the same phrases without thinking, we don’t need all to have the same priorities and the same way of thinking. only diversity of actions is good for anarchists, that’s proof that our movement is not under control of secret service and their collaborators who try to keep people’s way of thinking under control.
For Shao:
I think maybe I wasn’t clear that much.
What I mean on the “content of violence” expression is what you are using it for. It could be bombing, killing, streetfight, whatever. But if your actions are not in favour to make the whole movement benefit from it then the whole things remains ONLY revenge. I have no problem with revenge and I think the emotions should be never separated from political actions! All I’m saying is that the bare revenge in itself has nothing to do with anarchism. People are loosing their mind if they’re left alone every day and that has a lot to do with the present misery of life but doesn’t point to the revolution.
“There is no greater danger for the revolutionary movement than talking about it, instead of acting.” I don’t agree. We aren’t bloody soldiers in a military to act without thinking. And since we’re fighting for a community society therefore we need the “talkings” to learn from our and others mistakes and develop better means in this war.
“Now… who would integrate them and where?”
As far as I see from here there is a strong anarchist movement in Greece and in Athens particulary who are actively took part in the events of the recent years.
“The anarchists? With what authority, dear Lenin?”
Why would anybody need authority to link and organize their struggle? To “integrate” maybe wasn’t the right word, but what I mean is that to link strikes, protests, bombings, destruction and the re-organizing the means of the survival (looting, robberies, food production and sharing, further occupations and squatting). Since I don’t see any direct connection between the rest of these activities I risk to claim that there’s no cooperation between the proles who are active during the protests and those who are involved in bombings. And I think that’s not just “strategical” failure but this isolation – reflecting the general alienation – is the very thing that we are fighting against, aren’t we?
“And what makes you to be so sure that “peaceful protests with the right quantity of violence” are more efficient than bombings?”
I don’t think that. But I think I explained above that I’m not refusing the bombs or any kind of violence. I refuse however the isolated acts. And to be honest individual killings, detached actions are nothing but pure symbolic actions, unnecessary risk for everyone who involved in them (including those potential victims who are not targetet). Building such an organization specialized to these acts eventually fall to the militarization their behaviour instead of taking back the initiative from the state authorities.
“And about the conspiracy theories…if the cops put the bomb there. wouldn’t you think that they would have killed some 20 years old cop, in order to dramatize the bullshit, instead of killing a high officer of them?”
Look, I’m not saying that it was a conspiration but so far there was no tendency among the active urban guerilla groups for killing. To drop this openly stated prinicple I have my doubts about that it was in fact a revolutionary militants. Politicians and high ranking officials are involved many conflict because of their positions and there are violent struggle between them. Such a killings are happening everywhere in the world. Plus we saw again many times that right-wing terrorists are far less open about their actions than “our” side. We know very little about what actually happened there.
The notion that this was some kind of state sponsored operation is ludicrous, bordering on the paranoid. A leading pig was nearly taken out and one of his close aids was.
We hear the same kind of pacifistic rhetoric from Western Europeans all the time. The revolution is like a rainbow, it comes in many colors. Rather than bitching about the ‘right way’ to do things why not get out there and effect some real change.
I agree most sensible remark so far Incubus, I fully agree, what we need is to start fixing our line of sight on one focus, but then also to speak with Sox come in ways as diverse as the colors of the rainbow. All elements then pushing, taunting & hitting the enemy from all sides, where every bit of action matters in the global perspective, as long as it get’s the job done of weakening the adversary’s capabilities to maintain his economic infrastructure, gradually fracturing, disintegrating, incapacitating his means to exert control up to the ultimate boiling point where his system collapses under the civil pressure.
The pig they were targeting was instrumental in bringing about the downfall of the November 17 revolutionaries.
If this attack had succeeded this would have dealt a very powerful blow to the security apparatus in Greece and would have had a massive knock-on effect on the moral of the ruling class who would have been forced to face the realization that if the security system cant even defend itself then what hope do they have of defending them.
Now what Inclubus says is true, but it must also be mentioned that at the higher levels of the system is is a lot harder to replace people with all the experience and knowhow than it is to replace the grunts in the ground.
Whoever carried out this attack should be commended for their daring actions as they have no doubt dealt a serious blow to the state as their actions propaganda effect has reverberated around the globe.
I salute our dear and brave comrades for this insurrectionary action, as should all others who would like to see a fairer and freer world.
State agitators may try to balkanize us but we must stand firm in the face of their false claims and lies. Our movements diversity is what brings us strength and let none try to claim otherwise for when that diversity is lost, and only then, we can be sure our movement has stagnated.
Rejoice, for today is a good day comrades.
Meanwhile in Romania-
http://www.euronews.net/2010/06/25/romanian-protestors-storm-palace/
The terrorist act of standing cop and boss back to back and dispatching them with the one bullet, fails to alter the structure one iota. It merely accelerates the renewal of leadership cadres. If one is to liquidate the State and all hierachical organisations that (sooner or later) reproduce it, one must obliterate the commodity system.
It is especially important that…The guerilla warfare of selfdefence be made as coherant as possible. Commando raids should be mounted…only to support and to expand the revolutionaty workers movement and not separately as is the case with terrorism, Blanquism or leftist activism: and should it prove useful, the attentat should be used selectively (against counter-revolutionary leaders with a view to rendering them harmless, or against police centres with a view to neutralising them) and never indiscriminately (e.g. bombing of railway stations, banks or public places).
First of all I personally can’t speak in the name of the “Western Europeans” because I’m an immigrant here, coming from central-eastern Europe. Secondly, there are I guess as much of different opinions that you can’t address just to the “Western Europeans”.
But: There is a big difference between your unconditional hailing of the event and the historical experiences. There were many groups over here too back then, and despite their successful attacks the revolutionary situation never emerged following their actions. It is fact not just here, but in Greece, in Middle/South-America and so on. Using violence like this is just simply not working and even if it would work (similarly to something like Cuba) it carries already a hidden, or not-so hidden avant-garde theory that is not and can not be goal of anarchism.
The rainbow-metaphor might seem so helpful but for me if sounds like a twisted interpretation of the twisted notion of the Negrii’s “multitude” mixed with some guerilla nostalgy. Using your expression the problem is that we are already distinct colors on this rainbow and our wish is to take an advantage of our new complicities and provide the blend among each other as long as we are forming a powerful solidarity against the state, that is, against capital.
If violence ends not more and not less as a tool in our hands. I know for sure there are plenty of pacifist organization here, and there too. There are plenty of cell, collective doesn’t refuse the means of violence by some dodgy pacifist theory but refuse urban guerilla as a organizational end for any proletarians. These groups are present in Greece as many communique has already proved which was available in English.
So it seems there is a huge gap between these collectives and those who are carrying out these explosions. And if these groups doesn’t accept the criticism from all these groups and find other ways to use violence together with the other anarchist groups. Unfortunately I couldn’t find more detailed news, or translation of some sort of communique to claim responsibility that could clarify the objective and put their actions into a well-explained context, I can’t take your supposition granted. But if they really are some similar organization, as the Revolutionary Struggle then we have to say they failed to take up the possibilities of organized struggle with the rest of the “colors in the rainbow”.
But SoX, you got a point there. It is all too silent here, in London for example. There is a need for general wake-up, but not through assassinations like this.
Somebody has to stop the anarchists and the socialists before they will kill the whole population.
I am glad to take note that somebody at least bothered to clarify the endmost objective of our righteous cause, thanks, and sure I do concur Enough is Enough.
Yeah, us ‘anarchists and socialists’ are historically renowned for acts of genocide..never fascists, monarchists or ‘democrats’..Read some history you Moron…
Anyway, I agree wholeheartedly with SHELTEROFCRIME, and he/she might like to know, that according to mainstream sources the killing has been claimed by the ‘People’s Will’. This name is in itself revealing, should they turn out to be the attentats. Apart from the obvious historical link with Nechaev and the Russian Nihilists, the implication is that these clandestinists chose a name that reflects their ideological viewpoint (Even if they are supposedly Nihilists),a name which stinks of Avant-Garde elitism. Precisely whose ‘Will’ are they acting in the name of? By whose authority? The ‘Greek people’, the global proletariat, or universally oppressed humanity? Who do they think they are acting on BEHALF of anybody other than themselves? If Revolution is worth a secret policemans wet fart, then it has to be Universal, International, which brings me to criticise the strand of a SICKENING nascent Nationalism, pissed out by supporters of these supposed ‘Revolutionary (contradictory) Nihilists’, who seem to think that if you live in Western Europe, you are a) A Pacifist, and b)have no right to comment on anything by virtue of your geographic location and a percieved failure to abolish capitalism through the use of explosives. If it was merely a matter of bombs it would be TOO FUCKING EASY. In fact, thinking that you can initiate REAL ‘change’ by planting, posting or throwing bombs is just LAZY, simplistic, adolescent and stupid. The State loves your stupidity. You think they can’t do without one senior cop? Fools. They couldn’t give a shit about him. Expendable. Nothing. They might worry about their own security a bit and then tighten it up to protect themselves. But they love a good spectacle, something to justify their own existance with, something to hit you over the head with so that the broad masses of individuals see ‘Anarchy’ as Purely negative, destructive and anti-social, rather than the reality of the Commodity System and the hierarchical social order for what it truly is: inhuman, murderous and barbaric. A system which is legitimately the subject of popular violence and revolt, as opposed to the actions of a self-appointed minority who pose as the ‘Peoples Will’…YOU CANNOT BLOW UP A SOCIAL RELATIONSHIP.
Toronto G20- Good. Greece is everywhere.
Incubus still trolling
Make something happen in the UK already
Since you are such an expert on HOW
‘You cannot blow up a social relationship’, Ya Basta, ‘Enough is Enough’, Your slogans are just that, slogans, and it is they that will not change the system one iota. Lets be clear about this, most of those who denounce these acts are doing so from an ideological viewpoint, nothing more. It is this dogma that leads to stagnation and eventual irrelevance. ‘We have all the answers’, ‘only our way is the right way’, ‘Four legs good, two legs bad!’.
It is ridiculous to claim that these acts are anything even approaching genocidal, in truth it is the system that is genocidal, and these acts are a response to that genocide.
I mention Western Euro-Peons pacifism but I could also include North Americans when I say this. Chomsky has spoken on this, and it is true that in these places we have been subjected to far higher degrees of state propaganda from early ages drumming into us the notion that all violence, except for state violence, is unacceptable, this is clearly true and can been seen in the repetitively low levels of insurrectionary acts in these places. This is not to say that others around the world haven’t also been subject to the same sorts of state control in this area but I would argue that in these places it is to a much higher degree than elsewhere.
Now the groups “People’s Will”, of course they are acting by some people’s will, all the world? No, who could claim such a thing? All of Greece? Again who could claim that? But no doubt they are acting in the will of many people.
And don’t try to turn this around, lets be very clear on this, I argue that many forms of resistance are the answer. Johnny made a good point at first when he said “All elements then pushing, taunting & hitting the enemy from all sides, where every bit of action matters in the global perspective, as long as it gets the job done of weakening the adversary’s capabilities to maintain his economic infrastructure, gradually fracturing, disintegrating, incapacitating his means to exert control up to the ultimate boiling point where his system collapses under the civil pressure.” While some people here would allow only their sanctioned and approved forms of actions. If we follow only that one logic and dogma our movements are destined to fail and will end up as ineffectual and irrelevant as those in the UK, for example.
The claim that these actions “merely accelerates the renewal of leadership cadres” is true in a sense but again if examined a little closely it fails to hold up to scrutiny. During World War II Stalin killed off many of his own officers and Hitler was quoted as saying at the time something along the lines of we don’t have to worry since they are doing it for us. Also think about science, if the leading expert in a scientific field, or ten leading experts, died would that not have a negative effect on that field? I think most people would agree that it would. The same is true of the state, if their leading experts and tacticians are killed this will have a large effect on their effectiveness.
As for these actions being only a spectacle, this is nonsense, the propaganda effect of this kind of action should not be ignored, propaganda by the deed is worth a thousand words, ten thousand words. Think of the recent anarchist super-market action in Thessaloniki, was this just a spectacle also? It was a powerful act that will hopefully spur on others do do similar acts.
Again it is total nonsense to claim that they need something such as this “to justify their own existence”, this is total nonsense, the same logic could then be applied to an action anywhere, if we protest in the street against police brutality does that justify it? If we burn a bank to the ground does that justify the banking system? It holds up to not even the slightest of criticism.
Some of us clearly disagree but my final point is that I am of the belief that all forms of action that harms the state, harms capitalism, defends the environment and helps bring about a freer and fairer world are justified.
@BRILLIANT- I don’t have to justify myself or my revolutionary credentials to you, you wanker, all you can manage to do is to call me a fucking troll. I dissent from your own view? Put me up against a wall and shoot me ‘comrade’? Not before I destroy you first, fucknuts.
I don’t have all the answers, but then nobody else here does either. I don’t think of myself as an expert- that’s the label you give me.
Nothing wrong with strike commandos- I just have an issue with when, how and in what context they operate. I am also aware that the State has the monopoly on manipulation of information and of propaganda, which masses of people fall for unfortunately…I know they don’t need to justify their own existance-but they will represent themselves in this way, construct the appearance of it.
You should be reminded that Stalins purge of the Soviet Officer corps opened the door to a new generation of leaders, (Think Marshal Zhukov) and that Hitler grossly underestimated his enemy. He lost. Remember?
I agree with the whole ‘rainbow’ concept. I don’t agree with Blanquist Terrorism. I don’t agree with this petty nationalist admonishment of other movements. Or stooping to call us “peons” -peasants- It stinks of reaction. As for ‘slogans’- that is a statement of fucking fact, and it sure beats the hell out of your quasi-religious sentimental blather about “our dear and brave comrades” and “Rejoice, for today is a good day comrades”. Nineteenth Century language for an heroic, Romantic age long gone…Emile Henry, Ravachol and the Bonnot Gang. They all had their fun and were then eliminated. One dead cop? More cops probably died from heart-disease on the same day, and meanwhile Capitalism ticks along quite happily…And the amount of credit you give to his power and expertise! (Though it is well recalled that he neutralised N17), well now, there is a promotion in the offing… When I think of all the Kings, Emperors and Presidents assassinated by attentats all those years ago…plus ca change…
And don’t get me started on the Piazza Fontana, Piazza della Loggia or Bologna…
You want to be doomed to repeat history, that’s fine. Just remember history doesn’t give flowers to the rebels that failed.
Great job! There haven’t been any updates in the anarchist riots in Greece for a while, I guess that’s because they fizzled out. As always. What have the Greeks , anarchists or just idiots , have achieved? Nothing but the world’s opprobrium and disdain , plus the EU still had to provide money to undo the mess. Nothing has changed other than the losses caused by the violence and rioting.
That people in the early 21st Century speak and act like they are in the 1970′s still amazes me. Now the “anarchists” pull the same stunt in Toronto. Upheaval, confrontations , riots, and NOTHING achevied. Most of you guys live in a theoretical fantasy. Revolutionary credentials, Incubus? When was the last successful revolution , or revolutionary action that you saw?
Most of these “anarchists” are bored wealthy teenagers who need attention , a sense of purpose , and some romance ( oh , the molotov coktail and the face mask, awesome!) and have impressionable minds that have only been worked towards one side. You will all grow up one day.
Intriguing perspective that is from the pessimistic standpoint that nothing will change ever at all. I can’t help tasting from the pathetic sorry tone by which you apparently needed to vent your susceptible anger, that you’re probably yourself disillusioned or violated somehow, redirecting your anger on those which you envy most. Cause if you weren’t why would you than even be bothering to check the updates???? Or do you want some spectacle in your dull life?
Vasco…
You criticise Greek anarchists…I am not an anarchist with mask and molotov cocktail, i just believe in anarchy. Do you think that anarchy is chaos and fire? No, that is wrong. Learn something about Zapatistas to understand what anarchy is. You criticise riots. When they take your job, when your university degree and master(i have 2) have no value, the anger may lead to you to strange things, like burning a fucking bank. Anyway…what do you propose? To be a classic American boy, waiting for tv and mcdonalds at home? No my friend…we have a history full of revolutions. Study some history…
Just for all clarity guys.
To intermingle into your dialogue and correct a small misunderstanding while I am at it. The claim that the revolution is fought on many fronts, with many different kinds of people from all sorts of walk of life altogether heading towards this same mutual goal, can’t of course be underestimated, nor be denied, nor can it be contained, nor subdued, nor should it. The metaphor that the revolution comes as diverse as the colors rainbow. An allegoric circumscription that seems to beautifully capture with poignant euphemistic wording, the variety in methodical approaches that are applied by all participating fractions & individuals to avail in this all out unilateral cause to overturn the system, that realistically considered, entails all the characteristics that by definition append to a situation under wartime conditions. Within the context of a war like situation the colloquial tribute mundanely glorifying the abundant variety in which things may prosper, although granted it’s indispensable value from a strict biological evolutionary viewpoint, notwithstanding always the underdog in competition against a methodical system, is thus one of those usual sentimental nonsensical fallacies traditionally preventing the realization that just needs plain commonsense to penetrate, that from a military standpoint rather than disassociated disorganized acting, only a unified coordinated effort, can obtain the amount of levering power required to tilt the tables, at this moment in time, still colossally tilted in disfavor of the revolution.
Thus just for the record, when I said pushing. taunting, hitting, the enemy from all sides, I also
stated simultaneously in it’s opening line, which primary part you abstained when you quoted me, ‘THAT WE SHOULD (FOREMOST) START FIXING OUR LINE OF SIGHT ON ONE FOCUS’.
Sorry but it was a paramount point which I felt needed to be underscored.
As for collateral individualized action it can’t simply be ruled out, is helpful too, and should with all options open on the table, – our position adapted to warlike conditions, so forth undone from all unaffordable sentimental, moral, & ideological baggage, that neither the money driven provocateurs of the state display to maintain, – be welcomed as encouraged.
For the rest interesting discussion though, thanks.
So I guess you want some spectacle after all, And while you were probably to conceited to concede, I can hear you manifestly reverberating in the same yet amplified disappointed tone of voice apparently in acknowledgment to what I supposed and that concurrently bespeaks to be wretched by one’s sorry karma.
Secondly I naturally entertain an immediate certain dislike for people that justify the unknowledgeable future by reasoning from certified yesterday. Or do you pretend to have oracular capabilities evoked by knowing your falsified school history lessons? Try to write something sensible for starters.
@VASCO V seems to think that democratic rights, the abolition of absolute monarchies,the abolition of slavery, workers rights, womens rights were all won by doing nothing, because if you actually looked at history, you will see that these changes (for what they were worth!), were won through struggle and were not graciously granted by benevolent rulers. People fought for theses things, and they were, without exception initially decried as lunatics, thugs, fools and mindless troublemakers. Humanity is evolving all the time, and with it, it’s social structures. This evolution is both gradual and subject to sudden, violent mutations. The old world is dying…Quick!
Interesting rethorics, INCUBUS although I have to sensibly question, which abolition of slavery ? I thought it was still ongoing and actually one of our primary incentives to push for a revolution??? No but really personally I can somehow relate, to find my senses sometimes in similar manner entangled, indisposed to fully negate the idee fixe of progress, as if somewhere deep down in my gut something tells me in my ignorant state of mind that the acquisition of technology & practical knowledge, is virtually the only result that history delivered, as I wonder in approximation over what was lost along the way. As man exacerbated by pulling exaggerated slapstick caricatures from himself, in the mirror of history, professedly in the holy name of eternal progress, time after time reinventing himself, while in truthfully only digressively eroding man’s philosophic & ethereal sophistication and not after enough traded this everlasting wisdom in for factual comprehension & technological advancements, to go about in daily life with the decelerated mind of a 3 year old child, a present social syndrome that I’m sure you’ve encountered at one time or the other, cause I myself regularly happen to run into these kind of retarded cases by the gross practically everywhere I look. As well as here on the blog. (not to you directed of course) On average I suppose that today’s society may harvest more cognitively capable persons than in any historic era heretofore. But I reckon then in the same breath, that by comparison the divide between the imbeciles and those who live by an authentic pure true wisdom, has never stretched as far and as thin as nowadays.
So as to the proposition that progress is achieved, the intelligence that has wisdom deep down in my gut tells me to for now to disincline in modest reserve before wholeheartedly embracing the thought for the time being. Let’s just by Greek custom see what happens next before drawing on any definite conclusions.
One thing though for sure, NWO surely blundered gigantically by underestimating the technological era twice in succession, first by the introduction of the computer & internet, with in mind to digitalize banking to so forth exclude unregistered payments, and thus raise tax revenues while simultaneously, obtaining total control over the money flow. In their irrepressibly desperately driven greed & lust for power, overlooking the sudden immense spread of information out on the net, in record time exposing all the nitty gritty that they and their ancestors perpetrated all throughout history and which weren’t part of their fraudulent history books. Then second, when they thereupon decided to contain the error, by availing an option to exert more control, effectively calling out the war on the individual, for which they feigned the attacks on America, that were totally unmasked, once again through the advancements of the technical era, causing an even more intensified hype of anti New World Order propaganda, it’s revelations still powerfully reverberating on cyberspace.
Behold the snake is old, and in fright for it’s life cornering itself in. We just need to go out finish her off with delivering the beast it’s final dead-blow from which it can by no means recover. Then perhaps still on later evaluation history and all it’s pros & cons might be on balance avenged.
I meant ‘historical’ Middle Passage slavery, although I recognise that the Union fought the Civil War to further the North’s industrial power against the Confederacy. I meant those that fought purely out of principal, not Abe Lincoln. Yes, our modern Wage-Slavery is yet to be disposed of…No wise man ever calls himself that, for it lacks wisdom, so you can count me out. I know nothing along with every other individual, but collectively We shall know all, and we are everywhere -Toronto, Athens, Berlin, Chiapas, Soweto, Seattle, London, Moscow, Auckland…Nous somme tous le Pouvoir.
Copy that part about the US war for independence, as any momentous revolution in the modern times sponsored by TPTB, Russian Revolution, psychiatric revolution, feminist revolution, Hippie Revolution, you name it, all at one time or the other cultivated by the puppet-master conjurer, perpetually blowing with no let up the deep polarizing magic out of his immeasurably long protracted Pinokkio nose
But my note was in essence more venturing on the thought that despite the seeming recurrent motion of manufactured revolution on another, the only established progress is really just measurable in factual technological knowledge, while instead man has psychologically only suffered degradation. Thus for all we know it remains for the time being questionable what was realistically altogether achieved, other than the pluses & minuses that equalling each other out.
P.S No wise man ever calls himself that, for it lacks wisdom – to be self confident about one’s wisdom, right?
Im reminded of the classic insurrectional text, At Daggers drawn:
In an excessive perspective of liberation there are no such things as superior forms of struggle. Revolt needs everything: papers and books, arms and explosives, reflection and swearing, poison, daggers and arson. The only interesting question is how to combine them.
obvious trolls, and INCUBUS is not one of them. Im just saying, this is an open comment box
I agree absolutely @M, but this standpoint, necessarily rejects the Nechaeyev/Bakuninite idea (which is apparently alive and well in Greece) of “The Invisible Dictatorship”, with its concommitant utilitarian hierarchy of fanaticism and it’s denial of humanity in the service of a purified vision of revolutionary theory and action. The principle of the ‘ends justifying the means’ belongs to Robespierre, Lenin, Hitler, Pinochet and all the other twisted, atrophied authoritarians. The ‘Peoples Will’ indeed! (I don’t want to be forced to be free in some Rousseauesque utopia by any of these filthy bastards). One thing I would add to that list, would be the pleasure of sex, as nothing acts as greater antidote to dry theory or authority than to (for example) come over my partners breasts, before, during and after taking up arms against the hierarchical commodity system…
Why, thank you! Anyway, if I had to be a mythological creature, I would choose to be Pegasus, or at the very least, a centaur…I think the term Troll is odious and its frequent use to denigrate anothers opinions a sign of dialectical weakness don’t you think?
So DRAKE, you come out from the rock your under to hiss like the Harpies apparently addressing me? If so unfoundedly I might add. For as far as my knowledge is able to conceive, the description of trolls appertains to mindless provoking negative comments. Whilst at no time did I perpetrate any thoughtless or insensitive accusations to INCUBUS, nor anyone on this board that clearly channeled to be pro revolution. I may disagree with INCUBUS on a great deal of issues, which inconspicious disagreement evokes hence the motivation to interactively debate and argue in contrast of his opinion. But you impolitely interposing to condescend whoever you appointed, in absence of any rational, I can only say, that it comes back at you in reversed psychology.
And INCUBUS, thanks for the integrity to leastwise subtly explicate the in appropriateness of that remark.
You touched a solid point referring to “Invisible Dictatorship”, that according your statements was ‘alive & well’ in Greece, loved particularly how you beautifully phrased pointedly, “with it’s concomitant utilitarian hierarchy of fanaticism and it’s denial of humanity in the service of a purified vision of revolutionary theory and action”. I am going to cherish that apprehensive notice for my notes if you don’t mind, did you read that anywhere perhaps or did you formulated it yourself so adequately prescribing the inescapable historic cliche tendency, that by definition ensues any classic revolution? As did the Catholic Vatican, from the religious -, Napoleon from the Democratic -, Lenin/Stalin from the communist -, Hitler from the Socialist -, Freud from the psychiatric, -, pop celebrities from the Hippie -, &Oprah from the feminist, revolution.
Thence here we are at the eve of another revolution, the anarchist revolution this time, just take a wild guess where it will lead to? I suppose the race is on. Plain psycho dynamics of group behavior and so forth just the way the world works pal. According your own statements functioning well too and making progress, though I really don’t see it happening rather than history repeating. I salute you for the fact that you are supportive to the revolution, but be considerate for sakes of your ideology and anticipate to face the fact to swallow on the rebound. That if history teaches us but one lesson, it is that any revolution invariably recoils into totalitarian reign. And thus forasmuch that I can evaluate, as far as it concerns adjudging future by comparison to history, the idea of the “Invisible Dictatorship” which you claimed was alive & well, in Greece, contains a realistic prospect. Because after all, if there’s seemingly no indication of progress in sight anywhere on the preceding track, then why would we assume the track to divert from the usual tendency?
Unless of course you conspire to manipulate the traditionally classic pattern, but then again it’s outcome equals to the same extend, if you know what I mean.
- So first inform me please if you will, what guarantees are there other than history’s constant procession to suggest any other climax than the classic upshot?
- And secondly I remain curious to ask you for the insight to enlighten me as to why a wise man can’t be self confident about his wisdom?
What happend last week was not a murder of a cop. It was a bomb placed inside the most guarded building in the greek territory. And it was a bomb that was not meant to cause material damage, as usually. It was planted there to kill the minister of public order, Michalis Chrysochoides. But another man openned the box, so the bomb finally killed the right hand of the minister, a man that was a close associate of him since 1999, at least, according to reports of newspapers.
@JOHNNY-
I believe that there are no absolute truths (‘Question Everything’), and any man or woman who claims wisdom, lacks it because they are vain to start with, and because they have failed to understand the former (although it is equally possible to say that the statement itself cannot by definition be absolute either-a conundrum) I believe this philosophical outlook underpins all truly revolutionary praxis. This applies to ALL dogmas, the root of all fixed ideological horrors. This includes Nihilism, which, although I hate to say it (as certain state ‘commentators’ wish to blur the revolutionary with the reactionary[see above re;genocide]), can easily slip into proto-fascism.
The words you quote, are my own, but they belong to everyone…
The only way to break with the grotesque cycle of Revolt/Reaction is extremely problematic for us all. Those of us who ‘work’ for revolution (and yes, we too make ‘Spectacles’) need to realise that we will not necessarily be the catalyst in a process of historic transformation, as the Totality of the entire system of current human social organisation is far greater than we can begin to comprehensively understand. Presently, the Commodity-Hierarchy system is undergoing the most extreme crisis ever known. Humanity is better informed than it has ever been, proletarians across the world are more conscious than ever of injustice, oppression and the decadence and hypocracy of the political and financial classes. Those who do not see this, will soon be looking into a cracked mirror. The injustice of the austerity measures, will lead many to remove their blinkers, so that they see injustice everywhere, and how it is all inter-connected. Couple this with the now systemic sovereign/banking/property/liquidity/environmental crises, and their effects, and you have a ‘perfect storm’ brewing from which there may well be no shelter..It really will be a case of ‘Liberty or Death’ since war and dictatorship seem to be the only appropriate statist solutions. Thanks to the advent of Fascism and Stalinism, the Western world, knows all too well the kiss of totalitarianism, (some of us more recently). ‘Ordinary’ people have a greater capacity to organise, and reject hierarchy than they are given credit for (by both reaction and radicals). The principle of maximum democratic organisation persists and stands uncompromisingly against Authority. Infiltrators, provocateurs, bullies, ideologists and party hacks cannot survive in the popular assembly. With the advent of measures such as sound cannons, helicopter borne CS gas attacks and paramilitary policing, tactics will have to change and afford the masses of individuals to widen the age old, and neccessary tactic of sabotage. Maximum destruction of assets which are not useful or what cannot be held, the transformation of social spaces due to necessity and choice will take place. ‘We’ are useful in that we show what is possible, by being ahead of the curve. Toronto.Buenes Aires. Athens.Paris.Moscow.etc. The current social crisis is now beyond the control of Governments and the Markets. The choice to wage war on the proletariat will backfire- There is currently a power vacuum opening up, with scab unions taking the lead with their Social Democratic pimps. Without mediation, revolt will be untamed,innovative and freed from the usual banal constraints. Oh, it’s a very hot day, hopefully I’m being coherant and not rambling…Who knows, only time will tell eh?
@HEY, like I said, there is an opening at the Ministry of Public Order, all security specialists please now submit your CV’s. One dead cop, one ‘important’ building had it’s security breached. Spectacular!, but what if you are at work and your supervisor is on your back, what if your wage packet won’t stretch to the end of the month, what if the kids need new shoes??? Does it matter that this happened? It may cheer a few people up for 5 minutes, but apart from that? A few boys and girls will clap each other on the back, maybe have a few beers and congratulate themselves on their successful operation…What is subverted here? What social relation has been changed? The actors all played their parts admirably I am sure, outraged politicians, grieving relatives, comments and communiques written, and excited conversations held by ‘hardcore activists’, squats are raided by fat sweating cops. And like ashes in the wind, it will all be forgotten. Gone. Irrelevent. Yesterdays news in the opinion exchange #319… Should this have happened during a mass popular uprising, when it would REALLY matter…That would be quite a different thing altogether…I have a craving for anchovies today…
Greek papers are reporting that 3 fire bomgs targeted 2 unionists and 1 copper yesyerday 29 june. Why these 2 targets of the left and right? soubds like a classic ‘strategy of tension’ tactic used by the greek state again to foster division and discredit the anarchists. Is history repeating itself?
Firebombs target unionists, policeman in Thessaloniki
Police in Thessaloniki yesterday were seeking the perpetrators behind three bomb attacks, two on unionists and one on the home of a policeman, none of which caused injuries. A homemade explosive device planted outside the eighth-floor apartment of Sotiris Zarianopoulos, the general secretary of a local labor union, near the city center, detonated shortly before 2 a.m. At around the same time, a similar device went off outside the home of a policeman in the district of Ambelokipi. Shortly after 11 a.m. another homemade bomb went off outside the home of a former unionist in central Thessaloniki. The target of the attack was Dimitris Gousidis, the former head of the union representing journalists in Macedonia and Thrace. All three attacks caused limited damage but led to no injuries.
http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_politics_1_29/06/2010_118058
http://sysiphus-angrynewsfromaroundtheworld.blogspot.com/
The newspaper is over-reacting. These were not bombs, but usual (at least in greece) incendiary devices, constructed by gas cannisters and gasoline, according to the communique that was published in athens.indymedia.org
This does not cancel your comment, i just say this to restore the truth.
Thanks for the decent & sizeable response, which I awkwardly have to admit that I had to read it several times to comprehensively capture the content then plausibly even mere partially too. The reason to regretfully confess is mainly a disquieting dyslectic misfunction of the neuron software that inconveniently handicaps my brain functions with a rather slow & uneducated comprehension. Otherwise, although you definitely retain the right mentality in surplus with a reasonably proportioned amount of knowledge, intellect & vocabulary capability to verbalize your opinion. Yet you seem hopelessly entangled in an almost stringent academic, formalistic, intellectual language, so that I with a retarded, but still in my own defense, penetrative brainpower, had to leastwise read it more than once. Assuming you are an anarchist, I wonder, why you ideologically unfounded, reveal this frantic compulsive eagerness to adscript all matters by historical terms into their appropriate boxes. To principally classify, categorize, formalize them under conventional labels, in an apparently for unsophisticated Johnny-come-lately’s completely, inconceivable mumbo jumbo, that as an impervious smoke shield, impossible for the commoner to apprehend, shrouds it’s orator in the mystifying clouds of some kind of super fellow human being heavenly provided with unparalleled cognitive powers. Don’t misread this, – as you probably did, when as I surmise you likely inaccurately inferred, that I actually claimed to be a wise-man which if you read back, I actually literally didn’t, – cause nevertheless the inexplicable context in some parts, I sincerely encourage, your obviously inspired, undeniable gifted, & unquestioned intelligible commitment with evidently a sound intuitive sense of coordination in the times we are living. I dig it because the first indications that foremost distinct the wise-man, are by definition a clear crisp sense of knowing who one is, cognizant of one’s purpose in life, with spirited readiness to interact and dispense one’s wisdom non commercially to enlighten others.
Withal a measured criticism, from a linguistic angle, to successfully further on the accessibility of your rhetorical talents as a congenial advice on your behalf, I would modestly advocate to foremost abandon the restricted, rigid, soulless syntaxes, that appears immanently concomitant with the Wizard of Oz like intellectual travesty, sanctimoniously hiding behind a self inflated balloon of ever flexible substance, to baffle the genuine wise man, by impressively brandishing an arsenal of utterly abstract conceptions. In the process, – in some events consciously whether subconsciously executed, presumably even intentionally, – undermining one’s self confidence gone in the labyrinthian spun net of seemingly unfathomable & unheard axioms, to find oneself eventually arriving at the questionable dubiousness of one’s previously deemed wisdom. Gradually on even prepared to embrace the apparent anti-logic that a wise man can’t be confident about his wisdom, a proposition that you profess contradicts itself, but isn’t that just then not the unsolvable conundrum?
Yet a wise man is also distinguishable by his knowledge of the truth. Now the truth, she is by all what I regularly receive, inaccessible, no-one could know the whole truth, cause after all she consist of billions times trillions particles of fragmented truth. And as nobody or nothing can usurp all factual knowledge, hence no-one, to tentatively confirm your proposal, can call himself a true wise man for his truth will always be incomplete, partisan & interim.
Sill wait a minute, …… I ain’t ceding that quickly, to the ridiculous suggestion, as our present day world mindless radiates through all it’s public channels, the exigently indoctrinated popular golden rules to cleverness, and I am regretfully disinclined to conform to the nonsensical presumption that wisdom per se requires adeptness in verbal communications, or that the retention of the truth is too incomprehensive to ever be accredited by one single mind, or that knowledge of the truth pertinently prerequisites education, nor conceding to the fallacious supposition that wisdom unconditionally demands the skill to read & write. I am dearly sorry to be the obstinate spoiler in the present worldwide consensus, but I was convinced that the truth was uncomplicated, concise, pointed, objective, everlasting, and so forth, and she didn’t require any extensive editorials to plea her case, but could be effortlessly captured in one single paraphrase, to be understood by even the simplest mind and thus attainable for all of us? Recall on this account, that Socrates unarguably one of the greatest thinkers that history produced, was in spite of his capable mind, an illiterate by intellectual standards of today thus practically incapable to come to the truth.
Now I am not born yesterday and obviously you aren’t either, so who are we kidding, when untruthfully diverting from the undeniable salient fact, that writing embedded in the course of recorded human history, has always been a devious tool to manipulate opinions and for those in control a means to impose on the masses the posture of a prestigious honorable, dominant personality when in possession of the highly denoted craftsmanship of especially writing but of course than subsequently also the capability to read. The Catholic Roman church, went as far as, to reserve all writing exclusively for their purposes, whilst thereupon the pseudo democratic, aristocratic oligarches of the new industrial world, almost tantamount introduced the PhD cult society. (FYI, a sectarian like elitist club for which chosen membership one has to accomplish a college degree) Thus in prolongation of the Vatican’s policies, once more managing to reserve a superior intellectual advantage on the common class people by exclusively appropriating a certain privileged status & position, bestowed upon those who excellently mastered the almost unpronounceable lingo & undecipherable algebraic calculations in the scientific magic book of the puppet master magician, that contains all wisdom for one, with in a life time study still insufficient time to get acquainted with all the problematic & incompatible in outs of the intricately complex truth. Meanwhile as you preoccupied take note of the immense truth to surely get disoriented by all it’s multifariously rainbow like colored facets, shining with blinding but enticing bright light in all dissimilar, shade & nuances. In the mean time the world keeps on turning buddy, and life will go on as usual, the system prevails, no questions asked, unopposed & undisturbed. As the one single undivided truth remains in darkness eclipsed.
Writing is in all finality actually easily certifiable as the ancient version of our modern day television and as mankind went through his usual turbulent periodicals on stationary course with no visible variance, delivering itself over & over from one slave society in to another. Inventing more & more sophisticated systems to distribute, instruments to produce, & machines to copy, for scripting & messaging. In every epic endeavor, subduing, controlling or exhaling the information flow. At any given revolution freeing himself from the burdens he lay upon his own at one time or the other, always unchanged enacted by come to think of it, exactly that particular alphabetical principle of the letters, every time molded together as the elastic chewing-gum like stuff that only dreams are made of, accordingly presenting the ever alterable truth, to accordingly prescribe the inconvertible rules & laws of the overlord patriarch wizards of Oz, overseeing & managing the flow of information and that during the intervening time reign these Western fairytale realms interminably with bloody iron fist.
With 20-20 hindsight in the rearview mirror looking back on it’s invariable historic course, despite all civil protests for equality, at no time succeeding in ridding that nasty tendency to exploit by discrimination of intellect, ever inefficient to abolish it’s accompanying methods of manipulating the truth by way of the written word. Pondering on those notices one can easily generalize with reasonable certainty, that civilization as a human phenomenon is virtually synonymous to slavery. As it’s trail travels ceaselessly parallel along the virtual line drawn through time all the way down to where recorded history purports civilization’s arrival, up til here in the present. As accidentally did the method of wording, and the registering of history’s evolvements, what some also perceive as the truth, and which all specifically originate from the identical same cradle and thus concluded by the birth designations of time, place & method. I would boldly suggest, all (writing, the fabricated truth & slave society), are consistently interconnected, imputing to one and the same coincidental syndrome.
Namely by nature’s terms specified; A PARASITIC ORGANISM.
Which perceptibly operates through spreading the mental delusion that there might be innumerably more applicable human truths other than that single one accurate observation (aside from a few subsidiary biological ordinates as; gender, ethnic & corporal & to some degree bionomic). So it lures it’s – curious, idealistic, arrogant, stupid, ambitious, submissive, etc, etc, – victims into a bureaucratic bondage to maintain the assembly lines incessantly manufacturing more & more delusory truths, always promoting that everyone is entitled to his own opinion, as these unstoppable procedures to induce human segregation is the motivating fuel that moves the psychological motor, to ever perfect the leechlike system.
Therefore the way you conduct writing, only buries the truth under a pile of more of the same, ole yesteryear’s flawed scripts to only resort in further separatism & disharmony, by which the schismatic soap-opera of the Babylonian pandemonium flourishes uninterrupted in her diabolic scheme of ‘divide & conquer’.
Truthfully my friend, the rabbit hole just doesn’t go much deeper than that reflection easy to understand for even the simplest soul. In which it’s as good safe to conjecture freely without much foreseeable troubling antitheses, that we as a human race, are, and have been since the dawn of civilization, in an ageless conflict for our freedom faced against the natural born enemy of an outgrowing parasitical system, (the informed, intellectual elite) that over the course of millennia is staging a hostile take over on it’s host, (the uninformed, unintellectual, common class masses). Which organic process is if we observe nature, seems a completely justifiable analogy. With countless of biological examples to sustain the motion that so on even a jungle bushman can comprehend with some pointing & hand gesticulations.
And anything deriving, elaborating, ascending & ascending, or ramifying, from that compact & paramount disclosure, is generally uneffective to alter it’s settlement and can only be pragmatic, in how to further, comply, deal or contravene the unavoidable consequences that irredeemably follow when accepting the everlasting established, one & only, irrevocable, concentrated & purified truth for all she’s worth. As she stands there indestructible, invincible, untouchable, immovable, no matter what misguided ambivalent logics may voice sugar coated talk in dispute of it’s ugly & uncompassionate composure appending all it’s horrifying complications.
A man is therefore also wise when able to emotionally detach from all superfluous inbred sentiments, humanly cultivated pretensions, fabricated social ideals, but all invariably everlasting stranded on society’s boulevard of plastic dreams, and thus he ought to be apprized and take for granted that the truth is always unattractive, retains no sentimental warrantees, nor to expect her equipped with any finesse to mitigate her destructive implications impending to destroy, all that intrinsically belongs to the ly when that collapses lock, stock & barrel in the iconoclastic trail of the truth on it’s rampage course demolishing every bit falsehood what’s by distortion is considered sane, right good, safe, valuable, mattering, etc etc.
Deep down in finality the permanent truth about the earth and living on it, is that life equals war. Whereas in a methodical reference the wisdom concerning the rules of engagement that apply to the human being in this earthly arena in the land of the living, is simply antisocially the way of the predator. So on, a wise man that lives with the terror of knowing how this world is torn apart by the imbeciles that appear on every level called to come forth and serve the good cause of preventing unity for the greater good of all. He is allowed to mock, condescend or provoke their primitive state of mind. After all the worse thing that can happen is their awakening to see the truth for what she is, as that can be easily conceived by even the simplest of minds. And so a wise man anchored on the principals, to serve his purpose in his times & life, by dispensing the light of the truth, could be actually a more assertive person than the passive modest stereotype as you assumably depicted by a Hollywood influenced imagination.
I concur that it may seem a vain destiny and to some respects it probably is, but hey I didn’t invent the senseless merry-go-round, I am alas only analyzing it’s repeating locomotion to slavishly provision at best the wisdom that the Holy Cow of life is indisputably summoning. For crying out loud capitally spelled out on the wall of the evolution of the fittest, that thy shall, violate, rape, kill & plunder and all other should in obsoleteness be forsaken. Would we falter noncompliant, then we would be unauthentic to our natural identification, in disloyal denial to who we were, who we are, & who we should be until the end of days, insomuch misplace our place in this world and thus in complacency rejecting our indigenous instincts, absolutely fail to fulfill our inborn purpose & thence only suffocate progress. Inconclusive ever evading into new escapisms, cause the distasteful truth is just to unbearable to approach near consume & digest. Yet we got to confront our destined fate! For else our wisdom would lack, when forfeiting the evolutionary race, for the vicious cycle to subserviently regenerate benumbed on the treadmill of forced labor, walking around hypnotized brainwashed & programmed like android zombies, being somebody else’s property, in idle hope inactively sedated by the illusionary pretense to be part of some infantile dream of a hyped imagiary revolution, never reaching any resolution, sinking deeper & deeper into the sucking trap that merciless decrees to proceed as preceding, and that violently decimates unity asunder in billion times trillions little pieces, whilst all that revolutions classically prosper in is new forms of exploitation no matter how you turn the dice, for that is just the quintessential & incorrigible nature of the bloodsucking beast. Ain’t that just the ugly intolerable truth?
As for the revolution INCUBUS, which is definite, well defined, uncontainable and imminent. It ain’t probably the revolution you are supposedly envisioning, but a much bigger momentous (yes even transcendental) event and I dread for sakes of your narrow-minded ideological utopia which suspiciously smells like the monster we are faced with, that it will nonetheless eventually entail, a marking historic transformation for manhood. And if you think that you can manage the revolution or it’s resolve. Your dead-wrong, and then you most certainly lack in wisdom, blinded by a distorted sense of reality, too ignorant, too pretentious, too idealistic, or too block-headed failing to recognize the signs of our times unfortunately missing out on the all-mattering difference in this particular revolution, perhaps intimidated and in insecure despair when in sight with it’s gruesome end out truth, that the truth will actually free us.
So get off or hop aboard on the last train to trans-central, but please stop wasting your talents for polarizing, blemishing & interring the truth, rather than telling the truth to unify the revolution. The ly has gone far as the truth stretches, don’t you say?
Yet your right on at least one account. The Old World decays quick! All right than as long that it still here for free, let’s for the time being enjoy the conveniences of this capitalist society, play some Doors & maybe order out a pizza, no anchovy though.
@JOHNNY
By way of reply, I let Tristran Tzara speak for me:-
If I shout:
Ideal, Ideal, Ideal
Knowledge, Knowledge, Knowledge
Boomboom, Boomboom, Boomboom
I have recorded fairly accurately Progress, Law, Morals, and all the other magnificent qualities that various very intelligent people have discussed in so many books in order, finally, to say that even so everyone has danced according to his own personal boomboom, and that he’s right about his boomboom: the satisfaction of unhealthy curiosity; private bell-ringing for inexplicable needs; bath; pecuniary difficulties; a stomach with repercussions on to life; the authority of the mystical baton formulated as the grand finale of a phantom orchestra with mute bows, lubricated by philtres with a basis of animal ammonia. With the blue monocle of an angel they have dug out its interior for twenty sous worth of unanimous gratitude. * If all of them are right, and if all pills are only Pink, let’s try for once not to be right. * People think they can explain rationally, by means of thought, what they write. But it’s very relative. Thought is a fine thing for philosophy, but it’s relative. Psychoanalysis is a dangerous disease, it deadens man’s anti-real inclinations and systematises the bourgeoisie. There is no ultimate Truth. Dialectics is an amusing machine that leads us (in banal fashion) to the opinions which we would have held in any case. Do people really think that, by the meticulous subtlety of logic, they have demonstrated the truth and established the accuracy of their opinions? Even if logic were confined by the senses it would still be an organic disease. To this element, philosophers like to add: The power of observation. But this magnificent quality of the mind is precisely the proof of its impotence. People observe, they look at things from one or several points of view, they choose them from amongst the millions that exist. Experience too is the result of chance and of individual abilities. * Science revolts me when it becomes a speculative system and loses its utilitarian character – which is so useless – but is at least individual. I hate slimy objectivity, and harmony, the science that considers that everything is always in order. Carry on, children, humanity … Science says that we are nature’s servants: everything is in order, make both love and war. Carry on, children, humanity, nice kind bourgeois and virgin journalists… * I am against systems; the most acceptable system is that of have none on no principle. * To complete oneself, to perfect oneself in one’s own pettiness to the point of filling the little vase of oneself with oneself, even the courage to fight for and against thought, all this can suddenly infernally propel us into the mystery of daily bread and the lilies of the economic field.
Ahaah,.. I see, .., and am delightedly surprised too, to insure my wondering affirmatively by your presented flexible ability to even manage philosophical reflections purified from the complicated historically adscript referrals, formulated so that even I in all my simplified sophistic derangement can come to terms with it’s sublime content masterly executed with an unsurpassable finesse, I might add. Bravo, outstanding now we are finally getting somewhere and btw brilliant artistic linguistics there INCUBUS, almost melodiously arranged the lyrical depiction by which you presented the musical analogy, of;“a phantom orchestra with mute bows, lubricated by philtres with a basis of animal ammonia with the blue monocle of an angel they have dug out it’s interior for twenty sous worth of unanimous gratitude”
I mean, wow, man! Marvelous! Where do you get it from?
All remains for me regrettably is to graciously accolade in humble dignity honestly confessing envy for such a terrific talent to express your thoughts so proficiently. Evidently eloquently competent to mastermind the rich emanation of nonetheless romantically inflated bubbles missing any substantiality as they pop one by one imploding in absolute abstractness. But who cares right?
Well I do. Sure I love to hear your wonderful in tune saccharine tonged vocals, ensnared by strings of violins, trumpets & trombones as the fascinating boom boom drums up the rapturous symphonic siren rock song performance of a phantom orchestra enchantingly infatuating the senses to submissively follow on to it’s mesmerizing melody as the beguiling tones mentally induce a phantasmal apparition rotating panoramic utopia attractively lit under invariantly rouletting colored neon lights, always dragging on to distant hill views, looking on the same ole problem from yonder & yonder, gradually blurring the visual to eventually fade out in a grey than entire black projection on the silver screen with unsubstantiated cast credentials in white fonts scrolling down to bottom as the simulated visual spectacle miracle ends to leave it’s spectator perplexed in darkness flabbergasted by the incomprehensible horror freak show that just past the revue.
Yet as the bamboozling melodious lyrics still linger on as a broken record recurring in my entranced state of mind, and as my logical thinking leisurely recuperates to eventually digest the intellectual quintessence of what I just heard, immediately my stomach is bittered by the indigestible repugnant aftertaste of what came to my ears as dreams of mellifluous illusions, and I am suddenly intensely panicked with chisels running down my spine, shaken to the core of my carbon based system, when I disquieted come to grips with the disturbing fact that the mighty blade of the pen, mightier than any of man’s weapons of mass destruction, appears in the skilled cunning hands of an obviously delusional psychopathic maniac, a demonical agent of the insatiable separation monster, with apparently no mercy for righteousness, on a lonesome nocturnal crusade, tenaciously withstanding the hardships of terrain & weather, riding hard head on against the heavy wind, on his self-assigned cloak & dagger mission, with stealth approaching to it’s target dead set fast determined to intercept, infiltrate & dissever the one & only truth.
The thought that you consider psychoanalysis as a dangerous decease that deadens man’s anti-real inclinations, nauseates me truthfully, as I infer that A, the proposition is suggesting to stimulate surreal, rather than realistic thinking. Where I dubiously wonder what practical benefit may unauthentic thinking deliver, and what could be the pragmatical advantage of attending such non pragmatic unrealistic pipedreams? Other than of course. Throwing more trite rubbish on the high-rising pile of anti-truths that cover up the one & only undividable truth hidden far underneath in a fool’s paradise.
Otherwise. B. The assertion susceptibly discouraging psychoanalysis seems to divulge the suspensive small-minded mentality disinclined to faithfully believe in the wonder of life in all it’s perfectness, a scientific misreckoning, cultivated through the misleading theory of origin, erroneous presuming that the fabric of nature is woven from random coincidental circumstances. All the same, as all earthly living organisms arrive in this world trans genetically by means of a prefabricated miniature design plan, generally known as a seed, affirmed by the uniform DNA, plenary ramifying from the one & same identical program. The absurd supposition to consider random coincidence responsible even capable to conceive the invention of life in all it’s bountiful complexity is not only unreasonable, it´s completely laughable from a philosophical perspective, knowledgeable of the indefeasible fact that the truth is everlasting, and since she is, all what is, will be, and shall be, until the end of time, so shall the one & only truth.
Thus abiding in the unfailing dogma that truth is perpetual, taking into account that all living tissue comes constructed from a prefabricated miniature design plan, one would rather suggest by calculating backwards counting on the logics of perpetual repetition that life itself was preconceived, rather than rewarding the causally impotent dynamics of random coincidences as the cause to life.
Now we can test the truth for her integrity by simply venturing on the declaration that since she is eternal, thus all that what has been for forever comprises all truth. Yet sometimes we are looking for the truth as our comprehension of the truth undergoes an evolution into seemingly new truths, doomed as we are, ignorant after all on how life on earth commenced in the first place, with time going by in undervaluation of what we observe, we may find ourselves thus in confusion variably placing different name tags on the same by nature interconnected universal evolvements, as we neglect to see them for what they are. Would the proposition therefore be as preposterous, to simplistically presume biology for just another term, synonymous to technology, and thus the everlasting truth would be restored to sustain undamaged, as it’s computes infallibly that technology develops technology and thence what ever was shall be forever until the end of time, technology builds technology builds technology and so forth, et voila, the one & only down to earth truth!
True the explanation of the truth is from an empirical perspective relative and can so forth only be interpreted & explained by former, hence that I can concurrently state, that reckoned from it’s indispensable process of propagation by insemination of a miniaturized design plan, so forth life in itself must thus have originated from a similarly implanted comprehensive integral blueprint, as that I can assuredly maintain the conclusion that biology equals technology, which is then actually the very essence of life. Together these duplexed interlinked deductions coerce my thoughts, by reasoning plain that technology requires forethought, to culminate thence on the most forehand conclusion that life must have resulted from rational origin, hence a maker. QED the creator!
Of course a mere fantastic hypothetical speculation, an illusory spectacle sensation point-blank bantered from regular Hollywood science fiction, thus you would assumably indispose even contemplating the in your eyes probably overdramatized dystopian settlement, whereat bedrock on the earthly organic flesh fair where all living things daily trade quid quo pro life for life. Every forsaken creature is basically nothing more than just a exchangeable robotic piece of hardware equipment, that deprived from any feelings, is ultimately uncompassionately being ridded once serving it’s virtually meaningless purpose, in the conniving schismatic convolution by which te wicked kinetics of life persist insensitively indifferent to any burdening overloading emotive, ethical, ideal, or ideologic pretensions that you may consider so valuable, essential & prerequisite.
So you would instantly refocus on all your intricate problematic infinitesimal little details, convulsively attempting to micro-manage a limitless bundle of formalistic types of action & reaction, theory versus anti-theory, and so on, but that at the end of the day get the revolution nowhere, get your ambitions pertaining the revolution nowhere, and won’t help the case of the truth either. But then tell me please should we as logical thinkers just simply resign on sensible constructive thinking, to never wise up and just keep on mumbling the awkward unrhymed, flawed refrains of the imperfect past tense, in senseless duplication accruing the same ole misconstrued mismanagement as ever before over & over again?
The truth is unfriendly, awful, malign & vain even. Sometimes we may come across her and per instinctive reflex promptly repulse to turn away in horrified dread protecting ourselves from her hideously presence, by lack of comparison and in superficial judgement incapable to truly understand the magnificent beauty of our find, unconscious of the fact that we may have actually found exactly where we were looking for, in noncompliance stoically refusing to discontinue our search, and rather continue on a futile wild ghost hunt propelled by the nonsensical idealism, that the sum of all things might cipher a more sane ratification than the hilarious insanity of nothingness beating nothingness relentlessly over & over again.
In it’s need for substantiating the reason for existence. The mobocracy colloquially not charmed, neither intrigued, nor animated to fall for the unappealing attraction of the truth’s bottom line nihilistically debasing prospects, has to that extend, always been extremely vulnerable to succumb, for charming ingenious & skillfully constructed epistles, such as yours, propounding blessed praise to the diversity of opinions appertaining an numerous number of truths, in order to energize the never-ending search to accumulate an overabundant amount of reasons for living
Perhaps you are truly positive that there is a million more to heaven & earth than the animalistic tendency’s by which nature percolated & refined it’s creations by billions of years of evolution. To stand up in conceived juvenile pride before the fall, and foolishly protest against what comes naturally by heart for ages & ages. Possibly, immature, spoiled, complacent, or intimidated, to acknowledge the rules of the game that has unendingly endured since the dawn of time. Continuously unabated evidenced even in the era of consciousness registered by the dramatized playscript chronicling the human tragedies over the span of civilized history, in which all individual ideals have centennially faltered and dead in the water sunk in vanity. Wholesomely submerged in the blood soddened massacres, imperishably still nowadays as ever ongoing, traditionally enacted by the morally immune predators under mankind that rule as ever this world with bloody tooth, nail & fist. All we can ascertain with indisputable certainty from the evolutionary roundabout traverse, is the irrevocable extrapolation, that the way of the predator is an absolute must in survival, always will be, as that is simply the truth, cause what has always been, that is after all the truth.
But are you actually willing to run the jeopardy of coming out disillusioned in the end? When betting against nature’s undeniable empirical logics to risk the definite chance that one day all your baseless utopian dreams & ideals, will be unmerciful torn to shreds by the vicious killing machine of the remorseless predator indiscriminately hunting systematically on those whom’s defenses have been deactivated, by believing in the distorted disinformation of the crooked segregating flying lizard that is then end last the mother dragon of nature itself, inexorably exhaling the deep polarizing magic from her immeasurably long protracted Pinokkio nose, puffing colored hazes in all the various colors of the rainbow as she circularizes the self spun fume in all the directions of the wind, in order to disorient the human visuals from descrying the forest from the trees in her fairy tale woods of make believe, as she incessantly mushes down the bloody pulp mixed with mire & brushwood to ultimately devour mankind hair, skin & bone, alive & well.
Maybe you didn’t copy the attached planetary urgency, when I demonstrated the incontestable truth by a symbolical reference in relation to nature (by comparison to what ever was, thus the most clinical form of relative distinguishment), rendering civilization as a parasitical organism, much as implying in it’s theoretical wake, the endangerment of biologic life in general, by the uncontrollably emerging mechanization of life, and it’s concomitant artificial digital consciousness, as the technocratic society progresses? And the defining lines, should the revolution triumph, or should it fail, are respectively outlined by, -whether we manage to escape from the gripping clutch by technologic supremacy imperiling man & organic life with ostensible genocidal extinction, -whether the human being will forfeit his applicability in this dirty rotten earthly business, to eventually become a dispensable commodity, no longer efficient to serve it’s purpose, in obsoleteness dumped on the marble & chalk wasteyard of Mother’s Nature’s waste disposal. And seeing the incapacity of man to restrain his evidently irrepressible and ever surging urge to mechanize & automatize, ever abusing technology for inhumane purposes, at this moment in time, there just aren’t any available nuances, shades, grades, in betwixt, to hide behind from the gruesome truth that entails either life or death, eat or be eaten, no matter how delicate you intellectually slice, dice & grind the meat fine, here all the way down at ground zero, rock bottom on planet Earth.
INCUBUS man, I don’t know, what phantasmagoric extraterrestrial planet you are spending your time on, whether, how your thoughts have evidently skyrocketed to forever wonder on, reaching higher & higher poetical abstraction, meanwhile remotely alienating yourself from the vitally important rock solid realism here down on terra firma. Is it so hard to descend from your pretentious misinformed adolescent self, to congenially join as a down-to-the-ground earthling and land on this world’s harsh reality where all is confused and the truth is needed harder than ever. It won’t help the case of the truth, nor the revolution, nor the quality of the discourse ad hoc, to respond accordingly in vagueness by circling around in ambiguous & contestable teachings by which the modern day conspiracy of psychiatry embezzled the inabstracted, singular & ultimate truth from ancient philosophy
A misconstrued perception principally introduced by the cowboys of modern day psychology, another commercially financed revolution, officiated by the theories of the honorable psychiatrist Dr. Freud and his wife Anna, in the early 20th century intensively broadcasting through the college cult propaganda machine at their disposal by courtesy of the corporatocracy, to intentionally deluge the fallacious conspiring dogmatizing sophism that all truth should be henceforth considered relative and that there couldn’t be anything as an absolute truth, and of course that no uneducated individual can ever claim to posses wisdom. For imagine that genuinely wise men would actually step forth from the masses without any proper education or training to demonstrate the inappropriateness of their flawed teachings.
Now Socrates someone who actually believed in the absoluteness of truth incidentally purported that the concept of truth was a connatural preconditioned conceptual protocol of the mind, and he raised in this conviction the dilemma; “How can we ever learn what we do not know?” On which inquiry he conjectured two possibilities; Either we already know what we are looking for, in which case he proposed that there was no need to continue looking. Or we don’t know what we are looking for, in which case Socrates prospected that we probably wouldn’t recognize what we found anyway, by which he similar advised to stop looking.”.
He probably meant well to discourage searching for the unknown, so one wouldn’t be subjected to the unavoidable deconstruction, undressing & recalling of all that was longstanding appreciated as, morally justified, logically sane, & life comforting, etcetera and so forth, which comes inevitably coupled with every penetration of any alleged truth, as man peals down the layers of one & the same reality. Socrates may have intended to spare one for the unavoidable repercussion, once one realizes for oneself the deplorable, abandoned, & pointless state of affairs, whereat one stands in the aftermath robbed of all hope, with no reason, no prayer & no aim, in regret realizing to have opened a Pandora Box that in retrospect one probably shouldn’t have meddled with. Yet alas or on second thought maybe just as well, man is not easily dissuaded and has often of times proved more than enough uncontrollable by logic.
Then anyhow, the academic proposition that Socrates actually tried to establish by entertaining this antique existential dilemma, was that the concept of truth came inherently incorporated in the human brain, as a mental INCUBUS, ever there, subconsciously creeping in the back of our minds, in inaudible forbearance awaiting it’s unveiling, to arise as the sought all-inclusive solution, once all evasions exhausted all possible practical options that proved ineffective to deal with any random problem at any given time.
You are extremely intelligently gifted, your knowledge exceeds far above average and you have an excellent way with words, but yet hear yourself talking man, like the parrot, mimicking all the cliches, jargons & usurpations of the technocratic intellectual masters. You deem logics as an organic decease and the splendid quality of the mind to observe, scrutinize & analyze, you say proved of it’s impotence. Psychoanalysis is dangerous to you, while truth translates to you as merely opinion, that can virtually turn as a leaf on the currents, and you can’t see especially the danger or impotence in that insecure posture when completely unbelieving, disillusioned & faithless, over these vitally important qualities of the human mind thus by circumvention actually forfeiting the potential of man individually as well as a species, and so what’s left for us to believe in, utilitarian science, digital technology and the abolition of the one & only truth than perhaps? To be honest it scares me, not for myself, but for sakes of the revolution, to see such masterly refinement, with the grandeur of a regular mister -know-it-all, yet evidently in total loss of faith over the human beings’s potency, lecturing counterfeit ideals, banally borrowed from artificially fabricated erstwhile revolutions, (that were actually for the greater majority feigned by commercial enterprises delegated by the TPTB), surreptitiously misconducting, disuniting & downright sabotaging the present sporadic event of a spontaneous organized revolution, from within.
Reconcile that the all powerful truth is end all the highest, most simple, ever enduring, version to object reality and all other truths, misconceptions, whether aboveboard lies, sprout from her centripetal source, the truth is therefore tranquil undone from defective excessive surplus baggage, jettison of all tensed superannuated cerebral constrictions. She lifts the barriers, cleanses the sight, expedites mobility, wipes away all inessential incertitude, liberates, awakens, relaxes, recharges, inspires, motivates the inner mental sensations.
Absoluteness is equivalent to cleanness which is said next to holiness. Hence that she’s immaculate, righteous, honest, & morally superior to the ly or semi-truths that are by definition unrighteous, dishonest, corrupted & dirty. There’s hope in the truth, as she relinquishes confidence by which we can comfort ourselves in the knowledge that all we see and all we are, is conceived by a perfect plan and so all is good in the end.
Be apprized then also that the absolute truth can furthermore service as a mighty insuperable ally, retaining healing power to unite, as well as for offensive purposes particularly in the crafty hands of an intelligent linguistic expert as yourself, the truth can be employed as a mighty lethal blade with a capacity to inflict maximal damage when disseminating of a world erected from ly upon ly. As a matter of fact, in this Judas world in which we are born the truth is practically synonymous with anarchy & chaos, to which effect, she might be exactly the most compatible confederate that the revolution urges for right now.
All I’m saying in the end INCUBUS, is to consider in absolute terms, that maybe you have already found what your looking for and perhaps you don’t recognize it yet as such. In either event Socrates advocates to stop looking.
One thing though in excursus, please forebear on your untempered impulsiveness, and try with patient circumspection to precisely assign value to what you may have found, before UNWISE rushing to react expeditiously in the walk by meanwhile casually condescending the content with thoughtless, unconstructive, & abstract, impromptu devised counter propositions, that even so measure absolute, when radically excluding even the possibility of an absolute one & only truth.
Or didn’t that immoral discrimination ever cross your mind?
It’s the world upside down. Now isn’t it?
If you like to continue this occupying conversation then feel free to use my e-mail @ a2o hotmail.nl
(I believe it’s regimentally not even allowed to discuss off topic on this board)
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