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		<title>By: norma alicia</title>
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		<dc:creator>norma alicia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GRECIA ES EL PAIS MAS HERMOSO, 
SON LAS PERSONAS MAS CIVILIZADAS,
SI JUNTO EL PUEBLO EXIGE Y ENCUENTRA SOLUCION A LOS PROBLEMAS SOCIALES SERA LA MUESTRA QUE EL MUNDO Y LOS GOBIERNOS DEL MUNDO NECESITAN.  BASTA DE ABUSOS SOLO UNIDOS PREOCUPADOS UNOS POR LOS PROBLEMAS DE LOS OTROS SALDREMOS COMO HUMANIDAD ADELANTE.....UNA MUJER MEXICANA QUE LOS AMA Y SABE QUE UDS LA HARAN BIEN.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GRECIA ES EL PAIS MAS HERMOSO,<br />
SON LAS PERSONAS MAS CIVILIZADAS,<br />
SI JUNTO EL PUEBLO EXIGE Y ENCUENTRA SOLUCION A LOS PROBLEMAS SOCIALES SERA LA MUESTRA QUE EL MUNDO Y LOS GOBIERNOS DEL MUNDO NECESITAN.  BASTA DE ABUSOS SOLO UNIDOS PREOCUPADOS UNOS POR LOS PROBLEMAS DE LOS OTROS SALDREMOS COMO HUMANIDAD ADELANTE&#8230;..UNA MUJER MEXICANA QUE LOS AMA Y SABE QUE UDS LA HARAN BIEN&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Cheap vicodin cod.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheap vicodin cod.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 22:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Is it safe to snort vicodin....&lt;/strong&gt;

Vicodin. Vicodin no prescription. Vicodin without prescription. Overseas vicodin. Vicodin detox. Vicodin strengths....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Is it safe to snort vicodin&#8230;.</strong></p>
<p>Vicodin. Vicodin no prescription. Vicodin without prescription. Overseas vicodin. Vicodin detox. Vicodin strengths&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a note of thanks comrades. This website has been an invaluable source of information. Well done and thanks again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a note of thanks comrades. This website has been an invaluable source of information. Well done and thanks again.</p>
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		<title>By: Vermischtes zur Revolte in Griechenland - 7 &#171; Entdinglichung</title>
		<link>http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/2009/01/14/wrap-up-of-the-situation-in-greece-uk-solidarity-events-and-occupied-london4-coming-up/comment-page-1/#comment-2523</link>
		<dc:creator>Vermischtes zur Revolte in Griechenland - 7 &#171; Entdinglichung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 10:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ein Update auf On the Greek [...]</description>
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		<title>By: to andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>to andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 11:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>are they still effectively occupying the area, or is it back to the situation pre-insurrection 

Both! They are back to the situation pre-insurrection, which IS an occupation of the area. The portrayal of Eksarhia as a no-go area for the police is 100% a media lie. They might not come to the square, or the pedestrianised street were Alex was assassinated, but apart from those two locations there is riot police at certain spots (outside the socialist party offices, at the border of Eksarhia on Akadimias str, at the archeological museum where the cop was shot, and a few others) literally 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. So we&#039;re back to that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>are they still effectively occupying the area, or is it back to the situation pre-insurrection </p>
<p>Both! They are back to the situation pre-insurrection, which IS an occupation of the area. The portrayal of Eksarhia as a no-go area for the police is 100% a media lie. They might not come to the square, or the pedestrianised street were Alex was assassinated, but apart from those two locations there is riot police at certain spots (outside the socialist party offices, at the border of Eksarhia on Akadimias str, at the archeological museum where the cop was shot, and a few others) literally 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. So we&#8217;re back to that.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 00:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ohyeh... and I get the feeling there is permanent low-intensity insurrection in Greece...  before the December events there were clashes with police on demonstrations a number of times, workers on the runway at Olympic over privatisation, car and business damage is so common it&#039;s not even reported in the media, and not long ago the massive struggle over education &quot;reforms&quot; which led to months-long occupations.  I think these things operate on intensities - more intense to less intense - rather than &quot;happening&quot; or &quot;over&quot;, &quot;on&quot; or &quot;off&quot; - it has got less intense but doubtless there is more going on than, say, in Britain.  I could see things flaring up again in some circumstances - if there is another killing by police for example, or Alex&#039;s killer is acquitted, or the government announces some new law targeting protesters, or various other scenarios (the introduction of CCTVs, visits by American leaders, anti-neoliberal rallies have all sparked this kind of thing in the past).

I guess it&#039;s very difficult to keep up a high level of intensity indefinitely - this will be a persistent problem for anarchist and autonomist movements, as the state tries to simply sit out insurrections of limited duration (cf France 2005).  In the global South on the other hand, I&#039;ve seen movements which have gone on for months or years (the PAD despite its bad politics is clearly insurrectionary for example, also the El Alto movements, the piqueteros, the Manipur and Kashmir and Gujjar protests, the Korean beef protests) - they do this in one of two ways - recurring waves, where the protests go on hiatus for a couple of weeks if not antagonised and then start again (often structured around harvest and maintenance of farms in rural areas), and rotating participation, where levels of mobilisation are maintained by only a part of the movement being active at any time (an occupation may be sustained by 2000 people out of a rotating pool of 10,000 for example).  I&#039;m not sure what makes this possible - it may be that movements in the South have greater community connectedness, allowing them to operate more persistently; or simply that the numbers involved are greater; or whether it has to do with the emphasis on immediacy and intensity in insurrectionary anarchism, which might predispose it to short flashes rather than long-drawn-out scenarios.

A quick question though, for anyone in Greece - has the relative abatement of the insurrection led to a permanent state of fear?  For example, after the shooting the reports here said police had invaded Exarchia in large numbers - are they still effectively occupying the area, or is it back to the situation pre-insurrection (where police were unwelcome and would be confronted periodically if they entered - as in the incident where Alex was killed)?  Is there any likelihood of decomposition of the milieu from which the insurrection arose due to this kind of repression, or is there a return to the previous modus vivendi?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ohyeh&#8230; and I get the feeling there is permanent low-intensity insurrection in Greece&#8230;  before the December events there were clashes with police on demonstrations a number of times, workers on the runway at Olympic over privatisation, car and business damage is so common it&#8217;s not even reported in the media, and not long ago the massive struggle over education &#8220;reforms&#8221; which led to months-long occupations.  I think these things operate on intensities &#8211; more intense to less intense &#8211; rather than &#8220;happening&#8221; or &#8220;over&#8221;, &#8220;on&#8221; or &#8220;off&#8221; &#8211; it has got less intense but doubtless there is more going on than, say, in Britain.  I could see things flaring up again in some circumstances &#8211; if there is another killing by police for example, or Alex&#8217;s killer is acquitted, or the government announces some new law targeting protesters, or various other scenarios (the introduction of CCTVs, visits by American leaders, anti-neoliberal rallies have all sparked this kind of thing in the past).</p>
<p>I guess it&#8217;s very difficult to keep up a high level of intensity indefinitely &#8211; this will be a persistent problem for anarchist and autonomist movements, as the state tries to simply sit out insurrections of limited duration (cf France 2005).  In the global South on the other hand, I&#8217;ve seen movements which have gone on for months or years (the PAD despite its bad politics is clearly insurrectionary for example, also the El Alto movements, the piqueteros, the Manipur and Kashmir and Gujjar protests, the Korean beef protests) &#8211; they do this in one of two ways &#8211; recurring waves, where the protests go on hiatus for a couple of weeks if not antagonised and then start again (often structured around harvest and maintenance of farms in rural areas), and rotating participation, where levels of mobilisation are maintained by only a part of the movement being active at any time (an occupation may be sustained by 2000 people out of a rotating pool of 10,000 for example).  I&#8217;m not sure what makes this possible &#8211; it may be that movements in the South have greater community connectedness, allowing them to operate more persistently; or simply that the numbers involved are greater; or whether it has to do with the emphasis on immediacy and intensity in insurrectionary anarchism, which might predispose it to short flashes rather than long-drawn-out scenarios.</p>
<p>A quick question though, for anyone in Greece &#8211; has the relative abatement of the insurrection led to a permanent state of fear?  For example, after the shooting the reports here said police had invaded Exarchia in large numbers &#8211; are they still effectively occupying the area, or is it back to the situation pre-insurrection (where police were unwelcome and would be confronted periodically if they entered &#8211; as in the incident where Alex was killed)?  Is there any likelihood of decomposition of the milieu from which the insurrection arose due to this kind of repression, or is there a return to the previous modus vivendi?</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 00:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe post on your own blog, or Indymedia if it&#039;s relevant, and then link here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe post on your own blog, or Indymedia if it&#8217;s relevant, and then link here?</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny B4 the Road</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnny B4 the Road</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 21:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OPERATOR  .....?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OPERATOR  &#8230;..?</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny B4 the Road</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnny B4 the Road</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 21:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>..... Huh, Athenian tap room, .. I was just about to place a 15 page dissertation as referential basis for an open conversation,....??? is there maybe any podium other available, whether anybody there interested for a read out? I am really selling to any willing ear guys. Or shall I just place it here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;.. Huh, Athenian tap room, .. I was just about to place a 15 page dissertation as referential basis for an open conversation,&#8230;.??? is there maybe any podium other available, whether anybody there interested for a read out? I am really selling to any willing ear guys. Or shall I just place it here?</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 19:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey,

I found this on my local indymedia:

A CALL FROM GREECE
for a global day of solidarity actions on January 24th 2009


As a group of people who came from many countries and who took part in the
struggles in Greece over the past weeks, it is now clear to us that there
is no such thing as a &quot;Greek problem&quot;, that the situation that sparked the
intense riots here is the same that the people are facing everywhere
abroad. The murder of Alexandros Grigoropoulos on December 6th was not the
source of this conflict, it only opened and made more clear a conflict
that was already ongoing not only here but everywhere around the planet.

In these unstable times, fearing the threat of a deeper, more global
movement of insurrection, the authorities have shown their weaknesses in
their protection of the dominant capitalist order. Through the enforcement
of anti-terrorist measures, tightening of social control, crackdown of
different areas of resistance, mass arrests, targeted assassinations, the
illusion of democracy is falling and the veil of social peace is starting
to burn.

A CALL FROM GREECE
for a global day of solidarity actions on January 24th 2009


As a group of people who came from many countries and who took part in the
struggles in Greece over the past weeks, it is now clear to us that there
is no such thing as a &quot;Greek problem&quot;, that the situation that sparked the
intense riots here is the same that the people are facing everywhere
abroad. The murder of Alexandros Grigoropoulos on December 6th was not the
source of this conflict, it only opened and made more clear a conflict
that was already ongoing not only here but everywhere around the planet.

In these unstable times, fearing the threat of a deeper, more global
movement of insurrection, the authorities have shown their weaknesses in
their protection of the dominant capitalist order. Through the enforcement
of anti-terrorist measures, tightening of social control, crackdown of
different areas of resistance, mass arrests, targeted assassinations, the
illusion of democracy is falling and the veil of social peace is starting
to burn.

The more the State is taking a defensive stance, the more it is time for
us to stop fearing its retaliation and to go on the offensive. It is not
the time to withdraw into fear, which would lead us further into a
dangerous social peace, but the right time for multiplying the offensives
and intensifying the struggle against capitalism and its State,
coordinated with the revolt that is happening here.

The core of these events being that we are in a state of war, the only way
to get through it is to assume it and to take the offensive even further.
That is why we are calling for a global day of actions on January 24th for
you to carry out and perpetuate the revolt, to increase the instability.
It is NOT a call for you to support the Greek people, but for you to take
action where you are.

The 24th of January will be a day of demonstrations and actions all around
greece in support of the prisoners fell in the hands of the system during
this struggle. Wherever you are, let&#039;s attack this system that is
oppressing us all !

From Saloniki, Greece.

- e-mail:: icarus@riseup.net</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey,</p>
<p>I found this on my local indymedia:</p>
<p>A CALL FROM GREECE<br />
for a global day of solidarity actions on January 24th 2009</p>
<p>As a group of people who came from many countries and who took part in the<br />
struggles in Greece over the past weeks, it is now clear to us that there<br />
is no such thing as a &#8220;Greek problem&#8221;, that the situation that sparked the<br />
intense riots here is the same that the people are facing everywhere<br />
abroad. The murder of Alexandros Grigoropoulos on December 6th was not the<br />
source of this conflict, it only opened and made more clear a conflict<br />
that was already ongoing not only here but everywhere around the planet.</p>
<p>In these unstable times, fearing the threat of a deeper, more global<br />
movement of insurrection, the authorities have shown their weaknesses in<br />
their protection of the dominant capitalist order. Through the enforcement<br />
of anti-terrorist measures, tightening of social control, crackdown of<br />
different areas of resistance, mass arrests, targeted assassinations, the<br />
illusion of democracy is falling and the veil of social peace is starting<br />
to burn.</p>
<p>A CALL FROM GREECE<br />
for a global day of solidarity actions on January 24th 2009</p>
<p>As a group of people who came from many countries and who took part in the<br />
struggles in Greece over the past weeks, it is now clear to us that there<br />
is no such thing as a &#8220;Greek problem&#8221;, that the situation that sparked the<br />
intense riots here is the same that the people are facing everywhere<br />
abroad. The murder of Alexandros Grigoropoulos on December 6th was not the<br />
source of this conflict, it only opened and made more clear a conflict<br />
that was already ongoing not only here but everywhere around the planet.</p>
<p>In these unstable times, fearing the threat of a deeper, more global<br />
movement of insurrection, the authorities have shown their weaknesses in<br />
their protection of the dominant capitalist order. Through the enforcement<br />
of anti-terrorist measures, tightening of social control, crackdown of<br />
different areas of resistance, mass arrests, targeted assassinations, the<br />
illusion of democracy is falling and the veil of social peace is starting<br />
to burn.</p>
<p>The more the State is taking a defensive stance, the more it is time for<br />
us to stop fearing its retaliation and to go on the offensive. It is not<br />
the time to withdraw into fear, which would lead us further into a<br />
dangerous social peace, but the right time for multiplying the offensives<br />
and intensifying the struggle against capitalism and its State,<br />
coordinated with the revolt that is happening here.</p>
<p>The core of these events being that we are in a state of war, the only way<br />
to get through it is to assume it and to take the offensive even further.<br />
That is why we are calling for a global day of actions on January 24th for<br />
you to carry out and perpetuate the revolt, to increase the instability.<br />
It is NOT a call for you to support the Greek people, but for you to take<br />
action where you are.</p>
<p>The 24th of January will be a day of demonstrations and actions all around<br />
greece in support of the prisoners fell in the hands of the system during<br />
this struggle. Wherever you are, let&#8217;s attack this system that is<br />
oppressing us all !</p>
<p>From Saloniki, Greece.</p>
<p>- e-mail:: <a href="mailto:icarus@riseup.net">icarus@riseup.net</a></p>
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