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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 10:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>strongzz Generally I don&#039;t read post on blogs, but I would like to say that this write-up very forced me to try and do it! Your writing style has been amazed me. Thanks, very nice article.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Aug 2011 00:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Buford Bibler</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jul 2011 09:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Graikija: Pasaulinės revoliucijos manifestas &#124; Alternatyva.lt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graikija: Pasaulinės revoliucijos manifestas &#124; Alternatyva.lt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 18:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Sparky</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 20:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nobody&#039;s consciousness or understanding springs forth fully formed. It is good to see someone putting out a call for a world revolution. The best school for revolution is learning from one&#039;s own mistakes. My only criticism would be that instead concentrating on taking over and building the Insurgent Workers Assembly, the movement seemed to have dissolved itself in riots. 
Long live the worker&#039;s assembly!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody&#8217;s consciousness or understanding springs forth fully formed. It is good to see someone putting out a call for a world revolution. The best school for revolution is learning from one&#8217;s own mistakes. My only criticism would be that instead concentrating on taking over and building the Insurgent Workers Assembly, the movement seemed to have dissolved itself in riots.<br />
Long live the worker&#8217;s assembly!</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 23:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Meat is a waste</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meat is a waste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 07:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moralism aside, meat is an unecessary waste of precious and declining resources (particularly clean water).

 Even seperate to an understanding of the cruel and objectifying treatment of animals under capitalism (people and animals alike are reduced to mere commodities) anyone who has looked even superficially into the environmental costs of meat production could tell you that it is highly unsustainable and wasteful as well as inhumane. The factory farming/ meat industry pedals the myth of the benifits of eating meat excessively (humans are biologically ill equipped for excessive meat consumption with a stomach acid and an intestinal length similar to herbivores rather then carnivorous animals) but nowhere do they warn of the health effects of excess meat consumption (heart disease, higher levels of cancer and cholesterol) let alone the carcinogenic hormones and antibiotics they pump into the animals they keep caged for slaughter to fill your burgers. 
The meat industry is wasteful, inhumane and produces an excess of what we don&#039;t actually need to survive, let alone the rediculous amounts we currently consume. The price of this industries operations are high environmentally, from the website of the International Development Research Centre:

&quot;Introduction

With world population projected to increase by 50% to 8.8 billion by 2030, our ability to adequately feed people will face growing challenges (Brown and Kane 1994). Scaling back on heightened levels of resource-intensive meat production may be the best way to ensure food security for all people into the next century.

Essentially, the world is experiencing an overpopulation in farm animals. Between 1950 and 1994, global meat production increased nearly fourfold, rising faster than the human population. During this period, production rates jumped from 18 kg/person to 35.4 kg/person (Brown and Kane 1994; FAO 1997). The combined weight of the world’s 15 billion farm animals now surpasses that of the human population by more than a factor of 1.5 (Table 1).

In many countries, the affluent are eating the most meat, often at the expense of poorer people who depend on grain supplies increasingly diverted to feed livestock. In China, grain consumption by livestock has increased by a factor of five since 1978 (Gardner 1996).

Any discussion of overpopulation should surely include domesticated animals that, like people, depend on food, water, shelter, and mechanisms for heating, cooling, and transport. The many farm animals are straining resources and causing environmental harm as a result of their voracious appetites for feed crops and grazing.

Figure I. The average area of land devoted to agriculture in North America is 1.4 ha (3.5 acres) per capita (adjusted for the exporting of grain). With a big cut in meat production, this area could be reduced to as low as 0.2 ha (0.5 acres) per capita, the rate in many Asian countries. The huge area saved could be used for reestablishing wilderness or for growing more food for people.
(A) Sketch of 1.4 ha of farm land. (B) Sketch of 0.2 ha of farm land.

about one-sixth of the manure from hog-raising operations in the United States is used (USDA 1986, cited in Durning and Brough 1991). Excess animal waste often ends up in rivers and in groundwater, where it contributes to nitrogen, phosphorus, and nitrate pollution (Durning and Brough 1991).
Livestock grazing

Roughly one-fifth of the world’s land area is used for grazing, twice that for growing crops (FAO 1997). In a natural state, grasslands are healthy ecosystems supporting a diverse range of plants, birds, rodents, and wild grazing animals. Grasslands are often unsuited for cultivation, but with care they can generally be used sustainably for livestock grazing. Cattle, sheep, and goats are ruminants. They fare best on a diet of grass. In the West, cattle still spend most of their lives grazing and are only fattened on an unnatural diet of grain and soy before being slaughtered.

With most of the world’s rangelands grazed at or beyond capacity, the prospects for increasing the production of grass-fed beef and mutton are unfavourable (Brown and Kane 1994). Gains are made in grazing land increasingly at the expense of wilderness areas. More than one-third of the forests of Central America have been cut since the early 1960s, but pasture land has increased by 50% (FAO 1990, cited in Durning and Brough 1991). In India, tiger reserves, national parks, and tree planting efforts are increasingly threatened by cattle and goats invading and eating young plant shoots (Gandhi 1996).

In dryland regions, cattle can overgraze perennial grasses, allowing annual weeds and scrubs to proliferate. The new weeds lack extensive root systems to guard soil against erosion. As the former diversity of plant species is lost, wildlife also declines (Durning and Brough 1991). According to a United Nations study, “The Global Assessment of Human Induced Soil Degradation” (ISRIC 1990), about 10.5% of the world’s fertile land suffers from moderate to extreme degradation. Overgrazing by livestock and current farming practices are the principal causes of this degradation (ISRIC 1990).&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moralism aside, meat is an unecessary waste of precious and declining resources (particularly clean water).</p>
<p> Even seperate to an understanding of the cruel and objectifying treatment of animals under capitalism (people and animals alike are reduced to mere commodities) anyone who has looked even superficially into the environmental costs of meat production could tell you that it is highly unsustainable and wasteful as well as inhumane. The factory farming/ meat industry pedals the myth of the benifits of eating meat excessively (humans are biologically ill equipped for excessive meat consumption with a stomach acid and an intestinal length similar to herbivores rather then carnivorous animals) but nowhere do they warn of the health effects of excess meat consumption (heart disease, higher levels of cancer and cholesterol) let alone the carcinogenic hormones and antibiotics they pump into the animals they keep caged for slaughter to fill your burgers.<br />
The meat industry is wasteful, inhumane and produces an excess of what we don&#8217;t actually need to survive, let alone the rediculous amounts we currently consume. The price of this industries operations are high environmentally, from the website of the International Development Research Centre:</p>
<p>&#8220;Introduction</p>
<p>With world population projected to increase by 50% to 8.8 billion by 2030, our ability to adequately feed people will face growing challenges (Brown and Kane 1994). Scaling back on heightened levels of resource-intensive meat production may be the best way to ensure food security for all people into the next century.</p>
<p>Essentially, the world is experiencing an overpopulation in farm animals. Between 1950 and 1994, global meat production increased nearly fourfold, rising faster than the human population. During this period, production rates jumped from 18 kg/person to 35.4 kg/person (Brown and Kane 1994; FAO 1997). The combined weight of the world’s 15 billion farm animals now surpasses that of the human population by more than a factor of 1.5 (Table 1).</p>
<p>In many countries, the affluent are eating the most meat, often at the expense of poorer people who depend on grain supplies increasingly diverted to feed livestock. In China, grain consumption by livestock has increased by a factor of five since 1978 (Gardner 1996).</p>
<p>Any discussion of overpopulation should surely include domesticated animals that, like people, depend on food, water, shelter, and mechanisms for heating, cooling, and transport. The many farm animals are straining resources and causing environmental harm as a result of their voracious appetites for feed crops and grazing.</p>
<p>Figure I. The average area of land devoted to agriculture in North America is 1.4 ha (3.5 acres) per capita (adjusted for the exporting of grain). With a big cut in meat production, this area could be reduced to as low as 0.2 ha (0.5 acres) per capita, the rate in many Asian countries. The huge area saved could be used for reestablishing wilderness or for growing more food for people.<br />
(A) Sketch of 1.4 ha of farm land. (B) Sketch of 0.2 ha of farm land.</p>
<p>about one-sixth of the manure from hog-raising operations in the United States is used (USDA 1986, cited in Durning and Brough 1991). Excess animal waste often ends up in rivers and in groundwater, where it contributes to nitrogen, phosphorus, and nitrate pollution (Durning and Brough 1991).<br />
Livestock grazing</p>
<p>Roughly one-fifth of the world’s land area is used for grazing, twice that for growing crops (FAO 1997). In a natural state, grasslands are healthy ecosystems supporting a diverse range of plants, birds, rodents, and wild grazing animals. Grasslands are often unsuited for cultivation, but with care they can generally be used sustainably for livestock grazing. Cattle, sheep, and goats are ruminants. They fare best on a diet of grass. In the West, cattle still spend most of their lives grazing and are only fattened on an unnatural diet of grain and soy before being slaughtered.</p>
<p>With most of the world’s rangelands grazed at or beyond capacity, the prospects for increasing the production of grass-fed beef and mutton are unfavourable (Brown and Kane 1994). Gains are made in grazing land increasingly at the expense of wilderness areas. More than one-third of the forests of Central America have been cut since the early 1960s, but pasture land has increased by 50% (FAO 1990, cited in Durning and Brough 1991). In India, tiger reserves, national parks, and tree planting efforts are increasingly threatened by cattle and goats invading and eating young plant shoots (Gandhi 1996).</p>
<p>In dryland regions, cattle can overgraze perennial grasses, allowing annual weeds and scrubs to proliferate. The new weeds lack extensive root systems to guard soil against erosion. As the former diversity of plant species is lost, wildlife also declines (Durning and Brough 1991). According to a United Nations study, “The Global Assessment of Human Induced Soil Degradation” (ISRIC 1990), about 10.5% of the world’s fertile land suffers from moderate to extreme degradation. Overgrazing by livestock and current farming practices are the principal causes of this degradation (ISRIC 1990).&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Beishu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beishu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 07:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although the critiques and commentary on Primitivism are interesting, i don&#039;t actually see any statements in this manifesto that clearly take a pro-primitivist stance, as far as i can tell the author/s advocate the redirection of technology (including the use of the net, science and the means of production) to meet the needs of the people under self management not their abolishment. This seems to me an intelligent and anarchistic position to take, it is not science, production itself etc which is inherently capitalist but the manner which these are directed currently to benifit the few at the expense of the majority.
 The state and corporate sector shower funding on those willing to direct their scientific knowledge and skills towards futhering the interests of the ruling elites; on expensive and sophisticated surveillance technology, weaponry and tech for the military-industrial complex, trivial and frivolous &#039;innovations&#039; in the range of rotten chemical laden products and &#039;treats&#039; filling the aisles of supermarkets rather then towards technology of practical benifit to humanity.

As far as i can tell it is the vague condemnation of &#039;civilisation&#039; in this peice which evokes a connection with primitivism. Yes it is a rather vague and ill defined sentiment repeatedly stated, but i assumed that by &#039;civilastion&#039; the authors may have been refering to the current socio-cultural, economic and political matrix of capitalism as they seem to advocate the use of technology and science in the service of radical social change.

I agree that this may be a sweeping manifesto which lacks a careful critique and explaination of the terms it repeatedly utilises, but it is still inspiring and obviously has sparked a lot of debate which i see as a good thing.

As for &#039;Medal of Honour&#039;, in the unlikely  case that you are not a cop, i say to you  get off your ass and educate yourself, write your own goddamn manifesto within your own collective, contribute with your own vision of social change to make &#039;the world a better place&#039;, or at least contribute something positive - whether critical or not - to this forum rather then standing back and throwing (rather poorly aimed and unintelligent) stones at those who actually are.  
No one is here, nor in Greece to please you or provide you with the answers let alone pass some &#039;test&#039; you&#039;ve unilaterally created in your brain and fail to share with us.
Yes dumb people should never reign over the majority, which is precisely why capitalism, the state and their henchmen will fall and no undercover cop, crypto-fascist or armchair cynic can prevent this.
As for drawing an anology between what is happening in Greece and Soviet Russia, you really need to pick up a good history book.
Here, start with these:

http://lists.labourhistory.net/pipermail/labnet/2008-October/000477.html
http://libcom.org/history/chronology-of-russian-anarchism-1921-1953
http://www.spunk.org/library/places/russia/sp001839.html
http://www.spunk.org/texts/places/russia/sp001861/bolintro.html

... Good Luck.

To everyone revolting in Greece, my love and solidarity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although the critiques and commentary on Primitivism are interesting, i don&#8217;t actually see any statements in this manifesto that clearly take a pro-primitivist stance, as far as i can tell the author/s advocate the redirection of technology (including the use of the net, science and the means of production) to meet the needs of the people under self management not their abolishment. This seems to me an intelligent and anarchistic position to take, it is not science, production itself etc which is inherently capitalist but the manner which these are directed currently to benifit the few at the expense of the majority.<br />
 The state and corporate sector shower funding on those willing to direct their scientific knowledge and skills towards futhering the interests of the ruling elites; on expensive and sophisticated surveillance technology, weaponry and tech for the military-industrial complex, trivial and frivolous &#8216;innovations&#8217; in the range of rotten chemical laden products and &#8216;treats&#8217; filling the aisles of supermarkets rather then towards technology of practical benifit to humanity.</p>
<p>As far as i can tell it is the vague condemnation of &#8216;civilisation&#8217; in this peice which evokes a connection with primitivism. Yes it is a rather vague and ill defined sentiment repeatedly stated, but i assumed that by &#8216;civilastion&#8217; the authors may have been refering to the current socio-cultural, economic and political matrix of capitalism as they seem to advocate the use of technology and science in the service of radical social change.</p>
<p>I agree that this may be a sweeping manifesto which lacks a careful critique and explaination of the terms it repeatedly utilises, but it is still inspiring and obviously has sparked a lot of debate which i see as a good thing.</p>
<p>As for &#8216;Medal of Honour&#8217;, in the unlikely  case that you are not a cop, i say to you  get off your ass and educate yourself, write your own goddamn manifesto within your own collective, contribute with your own vision of social change to make &#8216;the world a better place&#8217;, or at least contribute something positive &#8211; whether critical or not &#8211; to this forum rather then standing back and throwing (rather poorly aimed and unintelligent) stones at those who actually are.<br />
No one is here, nor in Greece to please you or provide you with the answers let alone pass some &#8216;test&#8217; you&#8217;ve unilaterally created in your brain and fail to share with us.<br />
Yes dumb people should never reign over the majority, which is precisely why capitalism, the state and their henchmen will fall and no undercover cop, crypto-fascist or armchair cynic can prevent this.<br />
As for drawing an anology between what is happening in Greece and Soviet Russia, you really need to pick up a good history book.<br />
Here, start with these:</p>
<p><a href="http://lists.labourhistory.net/pipermail/labnet/2008-October/000477.html" rel="nofollow">http://lists.labourhistory.net/pipermail/labnet/2008-October/000477.html</a><br />
<a href="http://libcom.org/history/chronology-of-russian-anarchism-1921-1953" rel="nofollow">http://libcom.org/history/chronology-of-russian-anarchism-1921-1953</a><br />
<a href="http://www.spunk.org/library/places/russia/sp001839.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.spunk.org/library/places/russia/sp001839.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.spunk.org/texts/places/russia/sp001861/bolintro.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.spunk.org/texts/places/russia/sp001861/bolintro.html</a></p>
<p>&#8230; Good Luck.</p>
<p>To everyone revolting in Greece, my love and solidarity.</p>
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