Comments on: #20, 04.20: Demo through Athens’ entertainment district, tens of arrests; streetfighting around the Polytechnic lasts until the early hours; sit-in protest at Syntagma square tear-gased http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/2008/12/14/20-0420-demo-through-athens-bar-district-tens-of-arrests-streetfighting-around-the-polytechnic-lasts-until-the-early-hours-sit-in-protest-at-syntagma-square-tear-gassed/ Irregular updates and articles on the situation in Greece, in English Sat, 11 Feb 2012 12:37:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Jeroen http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/2008/12/14/20-0420-demo-through-athens-bar-district-tens-of-arrests-streetfighting-around-the-polytechnic-lasts-until-the-early-hours-sit-in-protest-at-syntagma-square-tear-gassed/comment-page-1/#comment-486 Jeroen Tue, 16 Dec 2008 01:18:52 +0000 http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/?p=60#comment-486 Georgi, misunderstanding here. But i'm too tired to go into this right now. Ill see I take you up on this somewhere this week. Georgi, misunderstanding here. But i’m too tired to go into this right now. Ill see I take you up on this somewhere this week.

]]> By: medusa http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/2008/12/14/20-0420-demo-through-athens-bar-district-tens-of-arrests-streetfighting-around-the-polytechnic-lasts-until-the-early-hours-sit-in-protest-at-syntagma-square-tear-gassed/comment-page-1/#comment-475 medusa Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:56:04 +0000 http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/?p=60#comment-475 Christian wrote: "...in Greece there are still a lot of these leftist pussies..." Nice, real nice. No trace of knuckle-dragging machismo or the disparaging of women here. It isn't that people might disagree or have different analysis of what needs to be done, it's just that they're a bunch of womanly scaredy-cats, not man enough for the job. Christian wrote:
“…in Greece there are still a lot of these leftist pussies…”

Nice, real nice. No trace of knuckle-dragging machismo or the disparaging of women here. It isn’t that people might disagree or have different analysis of what needs to be done, it’s just that they’re a bunch of womanly scaredy-cats, not man enough for the job.

]]> By: The Greek Uprising Continues and Widens Here, There, Everywhere « OPEN ANTHROPOLOGY http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/2008/12/14/20-0420-demo-through-athens-bar-district-tens-of-arrests-streetfighting-around-the-polytechnic-lasts-until-the-early-hours-sit-in-protest-at-syntagma-square-tear-gassed/comment-page-1/#comment-416 The Greek Uprising Continues and Widens Here, There, Everywhere « OPEN ANTHROPOLOGY Mon, 15 Dec 2008 09:09:14 +0000 http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/?p=60#comment-416 [...] Demo through Athens’ entertainment district, tens of arrests; streetfighting around the Polyte... [...] [...] Demo through Athens’ entertainment district, tens of arrests; streetfighting around the Polyte… [...]

]]> By: Coyote http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/2008/12/14/20-0420-demo-through-athens-bar-district-tens-of-arrests-streetfighting-around-the-polytechnic-lasts-until-the-early-hours-sit-in-protest-at-syntagma-square-tear-gassed/comment-page-1/#comment-406 Coyote Mon, 15 Dec 2008 03:01:26 +0000 http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/?p=60#comment-406 Already on the road with TV and radio occupations. You've taken the ability to speak, Greece, now take back your ability to live and survive! Already on the road with TV and radio occupations. You’ve taken the ability to speak, Greece, now take back your ability to live and survive!

]]> By: Coyote http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/2008/12/14/20-0420-demo-through-athens-bar-district-tens-of-arrests-streetfighting-around-the-polytechnic-lasts-until-the-early-hours-sit-in-protest-at-syntagma-square-tear-gassed/comment-page-1/#comment-405 Coyote Mon, 15 Dec 2008 03:00:24 +0000 http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/?p=60#comment-405 In the long term, three sisters, I think those techniques should be widely implemented, but in the short term, it might be best to seize the means of sufficiency already in existence. That means, if possible, inspire water workers to seize the Water Works, electricity workers to seize the power plants... or seize them yourself, with other worker's help? In the long term, three sisters, I think those techniques should be widely implemented, but in the short term, it might be best to seize the means of sufficiency already in existence.

That means, if possible, inspire water workers to seize the Water Works, electricity workers to seize the power plants… or seize them yourself, with other worker’s help?

]]> By: Rotshield http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/2008/12/14/20-0420-demo-through-athens-bar-district-tens-of-arrests-streetfighting-around-the-polytechnic-lasts-until-the-early-hours-sit-in-protest-at-syntagma-square-tear-gassed/comment-page-1/#comment-403 Rotshield Mon, 15 Dec 2008 01:47:42 +0000 http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/?p=60#comment-403 Forget the grid, there's enough energy for all of us free on this planet, it's all around us and below us. The problem is the system: money rules makes the laws of the nature not working anymore. The working rule is the one of the international bankers! Forget the grid, there’s enough energy for all of us free on this planet, it’s all around us and below us. The problem is the system: money rules makes the laws of the nature not working anymore. The working rule is the one of the international bankers!

]]> By: Obi http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/2008/12/14/20-0420-demo-through-athens-bar-district-tens-of-arrests-streetfighting-around-the-polytechnic-lasts-until-the-early-hours-sit-in-protest-at-syntagma-square-tear-gassed/comment-page-1/#comment-389 Obi Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:09:09 +0000 http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/?p=60#comment-389 Indeed, Get off the grid, go for self-sufficiency, get yourselves organised and we'll be stronger than ever before :) Indeed, Get off the grid, go for self-sufficiency, get yourselves organised and we’ll be stronger than ever before :)

]]> By: The Three Sisters http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/2008/12/14/20-0420-demo-through-athens-bar-district-tens-of-arrests-streetfighting-around-the-polytechnic-lasts-until-the-early-hours-sit-in-protest-at-syntagma-square-tear-gassed/comment-page-1/#comment-388 The Three Sisters Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:11:57 +0000 http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/?p=60#comment-388 All this talk of money and banking and yet how abstract it is to a hungry person! I do hope that when the grocery stores have been abandoned and emptied that there remains the self-discipline to organize and provide collectively for people's real needs. It seems as though real autonomy is being established but skills like water purification and waste removal must be present to maintain momentum as support from the old system wanes. If not, I'm sure a state would be more than happy to put everyone back to work. http://www.inthewake.org/downloads.html Unfortunately this manual is english only but I'm sure Aric would love translators! All this talk of money and banking and yet how abstract it is to a hungry person! I do hope that when the grocery stores have been abandoned and emptied that there remains the self-discipline to organize and provide collectively for people’s real needs. It seems as though real autonomy is being established but skills like water purification and waste removal must be present to maintain momentum as support from the old system wanes.

If not, I’m sure a state would be more than happy to put everyone back to work.

http://www.inthewake.org/downloads.html
Unfortunately this manual is english only but I’m sure Aric would love translators!

]]> By: Georgi http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/2008/12/14/20-0420-demo-through-athens-bar-district-tens-of-arrests-streetfighting-around-the-polytechnic-lasts-until-the-early-hours-sit-in-protest-at-syntagma-square-tear-gassed/comment-page-1/#comment-387 Georgi Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:54:49 +0000 http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/?p=60#comment-387 Jeroen, the root of the problem is not in the money itself and 1000 or 2000 thousand years ago, there were no such problems like during the last 10-20 yrs. Money that circulate need to be FINITE, linked to something (like the gold available). When the value of the banknote can't be exchanged for something, when it has not a true base, the government can print as much money as it want and can give as much credits as it needs to. That's the real problem that caused everything. Jeroen, the root of the problem is not in the money itself and 1000 or 2000 thousand years ago, there were no such problems like during the last 10-20 yrs. Money that circulate need to be FINITE, linked to something (like the gold available). When the value of the banknote can’t be exchanged for something, when it has not a true base, the government can print as much money as it want and can give as much credits as it needs to. That’s the real problem that caused everything.

]]> By: Jeroen http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/2008/12/14/20-0420-demo-through-athens-bar-district-tens-of-arrests-streetfighting-around-the-polytechnic-lasts-until-the-early-hours-sit-in-protest-at-syntagma-square-tear-gassed/comment-page-1/#comment-384 Jeroen Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:22:13 +0000 http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/?p=60#comment-384 Also the banks are the money, withdraw the money from the banks and the money is nothing. The banks support the goverment; that prints the money; that supports the banks. You can say the problem actually already began when money, invented to make trade easier, overtook its original purpose by becoming a good on its own. All that being said, this system is indeed built on the value of money and it will destroy us if we dont destroy it. Also the banks are the money, withdraw the money from the banks and the money is nothing.
The banks support the goverment; that prints the money; that supports the banks.

You can say the problem actually already began when money, invented to make trade easier, overtook its original purpose by becoming a good on its own.

All that being said, this system is indeed built on the value of money and it will destroy us if we dont destroy it.

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